Why I don’t use toothpaste

DISCLAIMER!! Please read this and make an informed decision – ie. read up on tooth soap and tooth ‘healing’ around the internet. I am not a medical professional, just someone very interested in being healthy, natural and safe. I have had great success with this, but I still think you should make an INFORMED decision.

I bet that got your attention. It is definitely not a good opening line when meeting new people, so I use caution – but will share with you today anyways.

So a few months back my toothpaste started to really bother me, not that it was not working – but that I could not pronounce what was in it and it was in wasteful plastic. After digging around online to find alternatives, I read that baking soda was supposed to work great. But I recall Mema using this, and that while it cleaned she said it was harsh on the gums. So I read some more and found out that if you brush daily with baking soda it is like basically taking sandpaper to your teeth and gums. Ok so that was not a winner. Time too keep reading around then.

I came across this book “Good teeth, birth to death” by Dr. Judd. Dr. Judd explains that when we brush our teeth with conventional tooth paste that the glycerin in the toothpaste (all have it, even organic ones) coats are teeth. This is what the glycerin is there to do, protect the teeth from stains. However, if you have this coat of ‘gunk’ (if you will), on your teeth then your enamel will not regrow. So then your teeth are just getting beat up, then covered with a thin barrier wall. Sure this barrier wall is great, but it is not natural and has adverse side effects. If you have a layer of glycerin on your teeth they can not repair themselves, thus you get sensitive teeth or cavities or rot. And the fluoride in your toothpaste it not helping. Before fluoride was used for the teeth it was used as rat poison. yeah. ekk.

Dr. Judds lays out some things to do like make sure you are getting enough vitamins like calcium to have strong bones and to rinse your mouth after eating – especially well when eating acidic foods, just a swish of water around the mouth will do. You can order the book, or read it all here as DR Judd has allowed in the copyright for anyone to reproduce it. Dr. Judd is a chemistry professor and he is now in his 80’s with prefect teeth. He recommends that you avoid fluoride with all cost to, as it does not protect the teeth, and can harm the body. You know, those kid toothpaste tubes say to monitor your kids till you know they will not swallow and only give them a pea sized amount – but if they do swallow to call poison control, this should be a red flag to us!

I did not need to do much more reading before I decided that I was going to give it a try. I am one for jumping on these experiments. So I went to the store in hunt of a glycerin free bar of soap – as Dr. Judd says to use. (don’t use liquid, it supposedly does not work as well) I bought the only bar I could find that was plastic free and glycerin free. I was abit skeptical at this point, as I bought a bar of 100% olive oil soap and just could not imagine that it would be palatable. But I was committed, so I decided to suck it up. It is a rather simple process, wet your tooth brush and rub it over the bar a few times. Then brush as normal. The first 2 times the taste bothered me a tiny bit, but was manageable. By the time a week had gone by I did not even notice the taste anymore! And the most amazing part is that my teeth felt like I had just been to the dentist.. I could not stop running my tongue over them! They were so slick and so so clean feeling. And it just gets better, they stay that was all day – 3 meals later I still had slippery teeth! Since there is not a layer of gunk to catch the food, they stay smooth.

I am now a few months into this, and my sensitive spots have gone away. At times you can tell where you teeth are rebuilding themselves. At first I was alarmed by this and had to do a crazy amount of googling before I found out that this was normal. What might happen, if yours do this, is that there will be what feels like a new bump in your teeth. If you poke at it it will kinda crunch away, but try not to. From what I understand it is like your teeth form a barrier of its own over a ‘bad’ spot while it does maintenance. Your teeth somehow repair themselves then this ‘barrier’ just goes away and a happy new layer of enamel is there. Another great benefit of this is that new/renewing enamel means your teeth will be whitening themselves! At first your new enamel will not match your old enamel. It is supposed to take around 6 months for the whole tooth to re-enamel and then the colors will all match. My teeth are the most white at my gums, and it seems that it is slowly working down. I do have a few very white spots throughout too.

So you brush with soap every day. Then you also need to do this: once a week take a pinch of baking soda and wet your toothbrush to brush with it. NB: Be very careful to avoid the gums, just brush the teeth. This is to help with any build up that might have occurred, so brush very thoroughly. If you have never brushed with baking soda, it is salty so avoid the tongue too! One of the reasons that it will take around 6 months before you will see a complete change it that conventional toothpaste takes something like 40 washes to remove it and the glycerin from your teeth. Don’t get impatient, you will see results.

I read this a account of one ladies experience, she said that for the first 3 months when her teeth were ‘naked’ they felt abit more sensitive. I however have not had this issue. But I just wanted to put it out there. She said that it went away and she has not had any issues ever again. She also went on to say that around the 6 month mark she was shocked at how white her teeth were – and that it looked as if she had white veneers put on.

I have recently tried another bar of soap out of curiosity. I am working to convince Ole that he too can use a bar of soap so I was wanting to find one that had the least taste (Update: Ole has now been using soap with me since 2012). I tried a bar of Dr. Bronners mint, I was hoping that it might have or leave that minty taste. I found that it tasted to soap and that the mint essential oil in it somewhat stung my mouth. I would suggest going to your local store and hunting a pure oil soap with no essential oils. It might take a few stores actually. Read the labels, ask questions. Make sure to avoid glycerin in the soap, and I will also suggest to avoid essential oils. My soap is 100% olive oil that has been saponified. (Or check out where to buy Natural Toothpaste Alternatives online in my new article)

So as promised to some of you, I am posting photos of my teeth from before and current. I will post an update in 3-4 months with more results, as I am sure I will see more changes. I would like to point out that my goal is not for white teeth, I do not want Hollywood teeth – I want healthy teeth!

The first photo is from before when I was using toothpaste. The middle one is a month in. The 3rd photo is from April. Sorry they are not the best photos ever. Has been hard to get a good photo of teeth upclose.

Let me know your thoughts! Or if you have any questions.

UPDATE June 1, 2011
I just wanted to post an update, it is a great one! My younger sister, who is 12, had been to the dentist earlier this year (I think in February) and was told she had a cavity and to come back in a few months to get it fixed. Around that same time I had switched to brushing with soap, and she eagerly switched over to brushing with soap just after me. I had mentioned it to my dad, and he was on board and she wanted to join – I loved hearing that she was wanting to and understood the benefits.

So this week she went back to the dentist, there has been much talk about if this ‘soap and re-enameling healing’ stuff worked in our family, we have had our fingers crossed hoping it was so, so she could save her ‘adult’ tooth in whole. So my dad decided to no tell the dentist their new practice till the end, he wanted a non-bias appointment. So here is the good news – the dentist actually refused to fill her tooth, saying that it was healing and doing great. He said she had great levels of phosphorus (I think it was this?) and calcium in her salvia and her teeth were looking great and to keep doing what she was doing. At this point, my dad and sister did tell the dentist what they were doing.. and of course he had to get all doctor on them saying that it was not good to do, and they should basically use chemicals – haha, I had to laugh when my dad told me this since the dentist had just told them whatever they were doing was working great!

I am thrilled that my little sister was able to keep her tooth! It is just a great reassurance to me that brushing with soap and getting enough vitamins through your food makes for great teeth!

UPDATE January 15, 2013

Time for another update: I am still brushing my teeth with soap. I am using baking soda on Sundays to help polish off any stains (from tea/coffee) and using peroxide sometimes as a mouthwash. Other than that I have not had any changes. I just got back from the dentist, he was very impressed with my teeth. He confirmed that in a few spots where there were small very white spots where where my tooth was trying to remineralize and where fighting out previous cavities… He said they looked old (the cavities) and healed. He helped take the barrier off those areas with a high pressure baking soada wash. He said he could see that at one point many years ago I had bad teeth-care, but now that it was good and reversing. Just goes to show that the reversal does not happen over night. I definatly think I will go in once a year for the baking soda wash, it was nice and lifted a few light stains.

fondas teeth jan 2013Here are my teeth as of January 2013. You can see they have gotten much whiter. Other than a tooth I had problems with as a teen and am having rebuilt do to it dying years ago, I have not other issues with my teeth. yay!

See where to buy TOOTHPASTE ALTERNATIVES here.

185 Responses

  1. EcoCatLady April 23, 2011 / 22:03

    Wow! I may have to give that a try. I’ve had terrible problems with toothpaste mostly because I’m deathly allergic to anise, and it’s used as a flavoring in so many of them. I’ve tried baking soda but it’s just too abrasive, and it really leaves my teeth in pain. I’m gonna give it a go with the soap. Thanks so much for this info!

  2. Fonda LaShay April 24, 2011 / 11:38

    Oh wow, anise… Norway must have been hard on you since everything is flavored with it! Let me know how it goes! I hope it works as good for you as it has me ๐Ÿ™‚

  3. Becca April 26, 2011 / 21:19

    Thanks for doing this experiment and sharing the results. I actually tried using bar soap on your suggestion before you posted this. I used a bar of Sappo Hill, which has glycerin in it. I was surprised by the taste – it was actually good – but my teeth felt gritty after brushing with it. I might try again with a glycerin-free bar.

    • mark May 7, 2015 / 10:53

      i am having trouble finding a glycerin free bar, anyone can advise???

  4. Fonda LaShay April 30, 2011 / 18:26

    Hey Becca! I also will add, that while you are working away that layer of pre-exsisting gunky.. there can be times/days where your teeth feel extra gunky. I think mine was like on and off for a few days, at times they would feel ick -but it soon pasted. Nothing like that now.

    I would love to hear how it went with non-glycerin soap!

  5. Beth Terry May 19, 2011 / 20:52

    You’re really brave to show pictures of your teeth. They look great. I’ll try the soap.

  6. Beth Terry May 19, 2011 / 20:58

    Also Fonda… how do you know your soap does not contain glycerin? Does it say on the label that the glycerin has been removed? It’s my understanding that glycerin is a natural byproduct of soapmaking, and soapmakers can either remove it or leave it in.

  7. Fonda LaShay May 19, 2011 / 22:05

    Thanks! For the glycerin, it is supposed to be ok if it is naturally occurring. Many soapmakers add it in nowdays, I like when it says that the soap has been traditionally made. The best soap in my opinion is to find a 100% saponified oils soap. Then you know it is all oil.

    Also, I recommend that you spring for the nice bar. I have been doing this for months now, and the bar i have looks brand new. I can barley see where I have been rubbing my brush over.

    I also really recommend staying as flavor neutral as possible, I love that I can brush my teeth and eat since now my mouth is not minty or cinnamony. ๐Ÿ™‚ Just me though.

    Here are some from Etsy that from what i read seem good, you can always check with the seller to be sure ๐Ÿ™‚


  8. Abbey July 16, 2011 / 00:53

    I’m so glad you posted this! I’ve been googling for days because my teeth are a wreck despite “doing everything right” and I had decided not to use toothpaste anymore. So the question now was what to use, I did BS twice over the last three days, but no more than that, for the same reasons you mentioned. All the stuff I saw quoted really expensive alternative tooth products, but nothing quick, easy, and cheap. Girl, you have saved my life. Thank you so much!

  9. Monica August 16, 2011 / 17:14

    I have read that you don’t need to use any soap at all, that just the act of brushing is what matters. My doctor suggests brushing with water after meals. I also use a floss that is uncoated and waterpik.

  10. Swa October 27, 2011 / 03:57

    Thank you so much for this article!
    I was referred here through a post on the Plastic Manners blog, and all of this makes so much sense!
    Much the same thing works for our hair as well, even though hair is dead and does not repair itself, but when using commercial shampoos and conditioners, which usually contain silicones, there is a buildup on the hair which makes it look silky and shiny, but which keeps building up in layers, until the hair finally becomes almost “sticky” or prone to entangling.
    Since I have been very aware of hair products for many years, I tried much the same thing with my teeth, only that I used to use salt water.
    It actually worked really well, but it is harsh on the gums too, so after a while I went back to regular toothpaste.
    I had never even thought of using regular soap! But I gave it a try after I read this (I had natural soap at home, but with essential oils โ€“ it doesnโ€™t bother me though, it doesnโ€™t taste strong), and my teeth felt very clean afterwards.
    I will get a bar of pure soap and keep going with this! Letโ€™s see if my enamel will build up again as well, since I have sensitive spots right at the edge where my tooth meets the gums.
    Thanks again for sharing this enlightening article!

  11. Anon January 18, 2012 / 05:43

    I brush with just tap water. My teeth don’t have that odd toothpaste-slippery feeling anymore, and my teeth are relatively whiter.

  12. Luis April 27, 2012 / 22:10

    Thanks for the great article, I think I will try it just for the heck of it. However, I dont understand your last comment about your sister. You said “she had a cavity and to come back in a few months to get it fixed,” but my experience with dentists is that they try to get you to fix it the same day (or next day, or next week), trying to get your $$$ quick. Also, I really doubt that a dentist would leave a damage-causing cavity for months! Could you elaborate?

    Thanks again,

    • Fonda LaShay April 29, 2012 / 13:23

      Luis, My sister is 12 – so the dentist said he was skeptical to take out the tooth since she has just gotten her adult teeth. I don’t remember the details very well as it was over a year ago.. but there were some more details… the dentist wanting to see its progression and scheduling and lack of insurance ect.

      • Daniel October 22, 2012 / 15:25

        You say your sister is 12 but how old are you? The pictures of your teeth resemble the teeth of a 40 year old.

        • Fonda LaShay October 22, 2012 / 17:58

          ouch.. I am 24. But not sure how you can tell my age from my teeth… you can see a full photo of me in the about page

        • Laura Quene December 27, 2018 / 21:51

          Daniel – you must have been kidding (rather cruelly). Most 40 year olds would kill for teeth as healthy looking as Fonda’s!

  13. Josh April 28, 2012 / 14:23


    Thanks for the article. I think we’re probably right to be skeptical of commercial toothpastes.

    Why do you want to specifically use soap? Have you considered using actual olive oil? This would not be too dissimilar to the Indian Ayurvedic technique of oil-pulling i guess. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10307459-should-you-brush-teeth-with-olive-coconut-or-sesame-seed-oil-to-help-prevent-cavities-or-gum-infections

    Thanks also for your other blogs. Some good info and thanks for making a guinea pig of yourself for our benefit ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Jayne April 29, 2015 / 17:29

        Oh, thank you for sharing the brand of soap you are using!! There is a commercial on TV that tells you enamel CANNOT EVER REPLACE ITSELF!! But, what do you expect when they are trying to sell their toothpaste!! This post of yours was eye opening, if not down right important to oral health! As soon as I can, I’m going to find 100% olive oil soap with no added glycerin and see over time if I can repair my teeth! GREAT POST!!!! Bravo! PS. Your teeth look great!

        • Jayne April 29, 2015 / 18:12

          I do not use toothpaste because of the harmful chemicals that are in it. I use baking soda or just plain water. I also went no-poo (baking soda) on my hair for 5 years. I’m now going to try aloe vera gel and orange essential oil as a shampoo since baking soda is drying my hair. I’ll post an update on that! I do not use deodorant – just pat cornstarch under my arms after washing. It works!! I stopped using toilet paper and for 2 years I practice “lota” which is a pitcher of water in ” the region” after using the restroom. I still use some soap, especially Kirk’s Castille Soap. I shower only twice weekly so as to keep good bacterias on the skin (I consulted a holistic expert about that). I use sugar water for hairspray. I have to be this particular because I’m allergic to most every man-made concoction out there!!! I lost my vision for 4 years from the harmful chemicals in most store bought cleansers. Happily, I have my vision back from the above mentioned things I do!!

          • mark May 7, 2015 / 10:59

            yes i am also looking for certified trusted sources of glycerin soap as i am about to lose a tooth. i have mainly got special brushes such as ionic and blotting that dont need tooth paste, but i do want to wash out my mouth every couple of days to eliminate bacteria else where in my mouth.

      • mark May 7, 2015 / 10:56

        is this glycerin free soap?

      • Granola Girl June 23, 2019 / 01:28

        Thank you for telling us what kind of soap youโ€™re using. I was planning on buying some very expensive tooth soap, but after reading your article Iโ€™m going to try this first.
        I was also planning on purchasing the tooth soap ingredients and making my own version of it, but I think Iโ€™ll try the olive oil soap you recommend first.
        Thank you again

  14. Jaanika May 9, 2012 / 17:43

    Thank you Fonda for your great ideas! Two weeks ago I stopped washing my hair and two days after that stopped using toothpaste. Now I’m brushing my teeth with organic coconut oil. I’m even putting pictures to Facebook to show my friends how my hair experiment is going. Today one of my old friend asked me if she could write about my experiment in her blog, because it’s really fantastic. Many of my friends are really interested about it, but are a bit afraid to stop washing their hair. Paranoia! ๐Ÿ˜€ So they will wait and see what happens to me. I hope they will find courage to do that with their own hair one day. So I really have to thank you, because I got more courage from you ๐Ÿ™‚ Experiments rule!!

    Be happy!


  15. Ali June 29, 2012 / 15:30

    Does this whiten your teeth? How long does it take to whiten them?

    • Fonda LaShay August 7, 2012 / 11:31

      hello, yes over time it does whiten your teeth. I think it is different for each person depending on how ‘dirty’ they were to start with.

  16. Tara July 10, 2012 / 12:12

    Thanks for a great article and an update on your progress!

  17. tat July 12, 2012 / 11:05

    Do you also brush your tongue with soap? If not, how do you clean your tongue? Also, is there an adjustment period (like will you have bad breathe while you adjust? similar to how you have oily hair the first few weeks on the no shampoo method) v

    • Fonda LaShay August 7, 2012 / 11:31

      yes, i do brush my tongue with soap. However my bf does not, he finds it odd

  18. Kendra August 2, 2012 / 12:11

    OK! You have officially got me convinced! See, I’ve been researching ALL kinds of teeth healthy stuff since last November. I had a wisdom tooth break — never before had teeth problems except a minor cap as a kid and a quadhelix for crossbite, but my teeth (besides breaking a bottom one at 7 yrs old while playing in the pool — have been very healthy and pretty! Until Nov. of last year. Wisdom tooth broke, no biggie. Wisdom teeth just do that. About a month later, a premolar broke while flossing! I panicked and have honestly been in a panic ever since. I’ve researched for 6 hours at a time non stop! After paying my dentist in FULL to do a stupid root canal back in jan-early feb, and then him deciding to do a few fillings and add about 4 “check ups” in 2 months where he did NOTHING but touch my teeth with the metal pick and sent me on my way literally. So I got the impression that he was “milking” my insurance AND pocket money. I’d already paid for RCT IN FULL and 5 visits later, he was still blowing me off when I’d ask when he planned to finish my root canal therapy! YES. He never finished it. Again, I paid in full. Partly out of pocket and partly insurance. Well he tells me to come back, he wants to drill out a cavity. Strangely enough, when I walked out of his office that day, I had THREE drilled teeth and “temporary” fillings! What!? I was horrified. He said I needed 8 fillings and that he would want to get to this one bad one right away. I thought he was only drilling that one. I have my own dental mirror and was pretty positive that one tooth he drilled never even had a cavity. Plus I’d had xrays by another dentist 2 months before and he said nothing about all these cavities! He said I MIGHT have one. Not 8! So, the day of all these temp. fillings my dentist tells me as I’m leaving, “we used up all your insurance today, but I only temp. filled your 3 teeth. you’ll need to come back for a complete filling in 5 weeks!” What?! So yes, he was milking me for every cent. ๐Ÿ™ I was sad because I ain’t used to just being taken advantage of, plus I’m sensitive and take those things personally.

    Anyways, sorry to overload you here. I wanted to share my bits with you. I’d been doing everything in my power lately since well, I have no insurance, a half-butt root canal and only temp fillings in 3 teeth PLUS the tooth next to my wisdom that he pulled, oh yea, he damaged it! It has a little spot where he cracked it, another thing he totally refused to talk with me about. “That’s just normal sensitivity from where the tooth next to it was pulled.” He said! He also ordered me to go to another dentist & have him yank all three remaining wisdoms out! Really? Talk about overkill? Or am I the crazy one here?

    SO, I already eat my aloe plant. I’ve used it on my teeth (the temp fillings, root canal, etc) in hopes of it helping, especially since aloe is anti-bacterial and all that. I also tried oil pulling with it being too much for me to handle. Tried millions of things. I take extra, extra calcium and vitamins. I was using the Dr. Kats mouthwash & toothpaste with peppermint oil — a “healthy choice.” And just read that glycerin was bad today. How have I missed that important part through all this research? Well, I remember reading glycerin on my Therabreath toothpaste ๐Ÿ™ So I’m desperately in search of everythign on the planet that can help heal my teeth — I don’t want to see another dentist (I’m scared after my bad experience & plus left with no ins. and prefer the healthiest way to fix er’ up) and I’m thinking I’d be stupid not to try what you’ve described here. I’ve given it hours of thought and reading up tonight and I will do it. Your story though, is what pushed me to make the final decision! You are awesome for providing all this nice info, really. You may actually save my teeth with your blog post! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Again, sorry for the super long post, but I’ve done gotten all excited. Reading that this actually, truly was helping re-mineralize your lovely teeth has brought me hope that I have not had since last year when my teeth began screwin’ up. I’ve always loved my smile/teeth, so this has truly drove me mad! I’m hoping that I will have good results like you. However, I am on a medication — Depo Provera to be exact– that causes bone loss & I wonder if this tooth “soap” will be enough for me? At this point, I surely think I could benefit. It isn’t like my teeth are totally all rotting.

    Also, is there any “extra” things you’d recommend doing for people with teeth problems? Any other good benefits you’ve seen from other products besides this? I’m just curious. I’ll absolutely try what you talked about right away.

    I love that you gave updates. What a fantastic thing, about your sister! I love that. Too bad the dentist was worried about his money and wanted to turn ya’ll away from using something that clearly made a HUGE difference. Not having to get one filling is really big! I’d love for my teeth to heal. I read somewhere else tonight that a lady was using the Bronners stuff & her fillings popped off and she realized she’d regrown her entire teeth! This lady was said to have been terminally ill with cancer & had been doing some extreme raw diet, I believe. It worked though. She is totally health from what I read.

    So, again, thank you millions for sharing you & your sister’s story! If you have any more updates or have noticed even more improvements, I hope you’ll let me know! You can even emil me. Wait, can I put my email herE? Just in case, here it is: kendra30752ATinboxDOTcom

    Much love,

    • Fonda LaShay August 7, 2012 / 11:38

      Best of luck! Keep us updated on your progress too

  19. AriesWarlock August 3, 2012 / 18:47

    Good to know it’s working. I am trying tooth soap that contains xylitol and neem tree (some of the best in natural teeth protection) from rose of sharon acres


    They also take Dr. Judd’s suggestion very seriously, and they use essential oils. I don’t see why you say to avoid them when they have antibacterial properties.

    • Fonda LaShay August 7, 2012 / 11:49

      From what I understand there are different types of essential oils – Some are just not safe to ingest.. and it is very plausible that you will have some soap/toothpaste do down your throat and your mouths skin is thin and fast absorbing to the blood stream. Certain essential oils have toxic components. An adverse effect depends on the amount consumed and the percentage of toxic components in the oil. This is why you are always supposed to ‘cut’ it with a carrier oil. Even though there is probably not all that much in soaps, I found with the ones I tested that they did not give me that extra ‘fresh’ taste i was after nor did they work any better than the pure olive one am using. I just personally I found all the soaps that had essential oils in them to burn my mouth.

    • mark May 7, 2015 / 11:03

      i avoid them, as i am getting oral probiotics and i dont want the oils to kill my new good bacteria.

      just want a glycerin free olive oil soap. to wash my mouth out a few times a week.

  20. tat August 6, 2012 / 03:55

    So i left the comment a while back about if there is an adjustment period. I have since been brushing with olive oil soap and so far I love it! No bad breathe, no adjustment period (unlike the time i tried shampoo less hairwashing) and i think a cavity I had is now gone! I made video about my experience if you want to check it out, it’s on my blog.

    • Fonda LaShay August 7, 2012 / 11:32

      great to hear! I am glad that it is going well ๐Ÿ™‚

  21. Ian October 19, 2012 / 15:02

    I love the idea of brushing teeth with soap. I tried it as soon as i read about it, but then i checked the soap’s ingredient list. It said nothing about glycerin and i was happy about it, but when i went on their website i saw that those soaps are made on a glycerin base, the natural kind which is a “by-product” of soap making process.

    I checked another brand of soap i had and it clearly said it contains vegetable glycerin (Granpa’s soap was the brand), the third kind i check was

    J.R. Liggett’s, Old Fashioned Bar Shampoo, Tea Tree & Hemp Oil, No Fragrance

    Which i use for personal care and it states:

    Also contains: Olive oil, coconut oil, caster oil, fresh pure New Hampshire spring water, sodium hydroxide (a binder) with No Fragrance Added!

    So no mention of glycerin, but the soaps are hand made and so how can i tell if its safe or not?

    I saw a lot of talk about Dr. Bronner’s liquid soaps, but in the article only bar soaps are mentioned.

    When i checked Dr. Bronner’s bar soaps it states

    Saponified organic coconut*, organic palm & organic olive* oils (w/retained glycerin), water, organic hemp oil, organic jojoba oil, organic peppermint oil, mentha arvensis, salt, citric acid, vitamin E.

    Important part is (w/retained glycerin)… So that’s with… Meaning they are not good.

    I feel like the best possible solution would be glycerin free soap made with raw organic goat milk since milk has calcium and phosphorus in it alongside other vitamins/minerals.

    This is the brand i found


    If links are not allowed than its

    Tierra Mia Organics, Baby Soap Bar, Raw Goat Milk Soap

    And ingredients state the following:

    Raw goat milk, canola oil, olive oil, coconut oil, cocoa butter, almond oil, pure essential oils, raw honey.

    So again, no mention of glycerin, but… How can one be 100% sure of that?

    I tried sending them an email but they still haven’t responded…

    So yeah… I still haven’t read the whole book because i am super busy (with writing my own novel lol), but to you who have read it… Does it state anywhere about what kind of soaps should be used?

    The ‘ANY BAR SOAP’ is just confusing to me because there are bar soaps which contain all sorts of junk in them, detergents and whatnot..

    Help ๐Ÿ™‚

  22. Ian October 19, 2012 / 15:10

    Than again, i am not sure what the PH of goat soaps are… Surely for teeth cleaning higher PH is better because. Hmmm

    • Fonda LaShay October 22, 2012 / 18:04

      Hi, glycerin is a natural by product of soapmaking – it is naturally in all soap in trace amounts. This is ok. It is when they add it in that you want to avoid. The liquid soap thing is a grey area I guess, some people say it works great.. but he does say to avoid it. I have very happy with my bar that I have so I have never wanted a bottle soap (and it come in plastic! ek!)

  23. Kendra October 20, 2012 / 06:27

    Hi again,
    I saw the above comment on the confusion about glycerin, and I’ve been killing myself to figure it out as well. I’ve read the majority of Dr. Judd’s book and the only things I’ve seen so far was his recommendation of “any bar soap without glycerin.” He mentioned used Dial’s old school Deodorant bar, which is the bright orangle colored bar soap. However, I checked and it DOES contain glycerin, so perhaps the company Dial has changed their ingredients since Dr. Judd’s time?

    Here’s what I’ve been doing: Since it seems darn near impossible to find a soap that is absolutely glycerin free, I’ve done the only thing I know and stuck with naturally derived glycerin instead. I’ve used a soap called Olivella, but the taste is nightmarish. It is really unbearable at this point, so I tried 2 more bar soaps — Herbaria’s Lavendar Oatmeal and another Herbaria soap. MUCH better to handle. Thing is: both Olivella and Herbaria soaps have “natural” glycerin, so I assume that’s as close to glycerin free as we’ll ever get. I’ve reasearched my butt off to try and figure out if naturally derived glycerin is okay for teeth — nothing. No answers anywhere! I know this is frustrating for everyone.

    The herbaria soaps I use have the Soja Wax (soybean is the source) glycerin, so surely it’s safe? I’ve only used soaps with plant-based glycerin on my teeth. Herbaria is my favorite so far.

    Now, I also went and got a bar from a really nice place Auromere. I got one with Neem because I know it’s good for teeth, and I got the bar in hopes of being able to use it for brushing. But once I wet the bar — whew! The smell is so bad that there is no way I could brush with it. So I dabbed a bit on my tongue — not possible. I mean you could, but it’s not easy. It also has plant based glycerin. So I just use it for showering now that it is so nasty tasting for brushing.

    However, I actually was interested in Auromere because of their “safe and natural” tooth pastes. They were really cheap too, so I almost bought them til’ I realized they have glycerin, and it did not seem like the best choice. ? But their soaps and tooth products are extremely cheap, so I’m considering testing the teeth ones too.

    Does anybody know what we should be doing about the glycerin? It seems tons of us are unaware of whether or not glycerin from natural, plant-based things is safe or not? I’m guessing it is, but cannot be sure. Is there someone out there to shed light on this?

    Just curious, and thought I’d chime in with my own experience. When Judd said “any bar soap” he must’ve been remembering times when glycerin wasn’t so popular? I know you cannot use the soaps from a drugstore that contain that horrible detergent and mess. Don’t use those. My best advice is to go as natural as possible and use only plant-derived (soy bean wax) glycerin soaps. Like I said, Herbaria has tons and they’re amazing. Olivella is $5 a bar and a very large bar, but I’ve spent the last 3 months gagging until I nearly vomit over the God-awful taste. It’s the worst. It never leaves my mouth for the entire day, no matter what! Herbaria is much more gentle, and the same size (maybe bigger) bar, and same price as Olivella. Also, Olivella leaves a very thick oily film all over my mouth and toothbrush. Ick!

    Just my two sense to the confused above poster. Hopefully all of us together can come up with the answers. I really like being able to read from others’ experience.

    • AriesWarlock October 20, 2012 / 07:43


      I think people are overreacting to glycerin. Indeed synthetic glycerine is to be avoided, but the ones from vegetable source are fine. I actually emailed once that company you mention Auromere and they told me that their formula of herbs is so astringent that it cuts through the glycerin. Ask them yourself about glycerin.
      Really, if you are going to punish yourself with those odorous soaps better to use a natural toothpaste like Auromere pastes.

      There’s a toothpaste without glycerin called Earth Paste if you are interested www(dot)earthpaste(dot)

    • Fonda LaShay October 22, 2012 / 18:09

      I would worry the wax acts as a barrier just like they glycerin would.

  24. Ian October 20, 2012 / 09:04

    I contacted “Tooth Soap” and they told me that natural glycerin is not an issue as it is a lot different than the man made kind and is soap making process not a lot of it comes out (unlike toothpastes which use more than 60% glycerin)

    Judd states that after brushing teeth with soap 3 ”water washes” are needed, so i guess that’s all it takes for the natural glycerin to be washed.

    I have no problems with soap taste (thankfully) but that’s just because i have no taste problems whatsoever with any food. I can basically eat grass and enjoy it (i really can, lol)

    Tooth soap is than pretty much just marketing since it charges more than 20$ for a regular soap.

    I also came in contact with an organic chemist that has a brand of natural products and he confirmed that glycerin can’t be avoided when making soap but that is completely different.

    One thing to watch about is the PH of soaps cause some are on the acid side (you know the commercial, PH5.5 which is extremely acid) others use citric acid to lower the ph and so on and i believe for teeth brushing higher PH is best. The one i am using now (.R. Liggettโ€™s, Old Fashioned Bar Shampoo, Tea Tree & Hemp Oil, No Fragrance) has PH higher of 8 because i tested my saliva while brushing and the testing strip went purple right away.

    The people of Tierra Mia told me their goat milk soaps have a ph of 6.4-6.7 which is not enough so i am now trying to find a version of natural, organic goat milk soaps with alkaline ph.

    As mention, the main reason for this is that Goat milk has all important bone vitamins and minerals (including vitamin D, K, Calcium and phosphorus)

    The baking soda solution Judd mentions also increases natural PH so it has a double option.

    And if somebody is interested but haven’t heard of it so far

    Google OIL PULLING

    • AriesWarlock October 20, 2012 / 14:52


      I replied before but the comment is awaiting moderation, must be because of the links

      this is tooth soap, soap made for the PH of teeth

      they are cheaper than tooth soap, and personally I like them better because they use xylitol, neem tree bark, and coconut oil. And no glycerin.
      Researchers are finding out coconut oil is a strong ally in oral care:

      You can also try this toothpaste with no glycerin:

      I use that tooth soap, but I like to alternate with toothpaste.

    • Fonda LaShay October 22, 2012 / 18:11

      I wrote on oil pulling too: http://www.mintandchili.com/oil-pulling

      I use baking soda on sundays. I highly recommend it, think it should be used as a deep clean. But it is to harsh to use daily, on the gums you know.

      ps. I am still posting, just not ont his one in some time ๐Ÿ™‚ I have commented in the last few months, so not to worry.

  25. Ian October 20, 2012 / 09:09

    I am guessing that animal fat soaps don’t contain glycerin.. The ones made from lard..

  26. Ian October 20, 2012 / 09:49

    Also, what happened with the owner of this page? The last update was more than a year ago? Any news?

  27. Ian October 20, 2012 / 17:29

    I just read your entire story Kendra and i am sorry to hear it. You should try doing oil pulling with coconut oil, it’s a lot less nastier. You should also drop those ”bone killing” medications and see if you can do acupuncture treatments. Chinese medicine is amazing and has no side effects. You should also supplement with calcium and vitamin D3, but the only form of Calcium i suggest is Calcium Hydroxyapatite (basically bone in powder). Take 10000 UI of Vitamin D3 alongside the calcium suplement.

    Try to change your diet more on the alkaline side and insure the PH of your saliva to be more than 7.

    Wish you well

  28. Kendra October 21, 2012 / 08:26

    Ian! Lol @ the grass thing. You must be able to handle quite some funny tastes. ๐Ÿ™‚ I can barely handle the taste of wheatgrass! I’m a whimp though. Lol.

    You are like the knght and shining armor of the net! Lol. You have no clue how helpful you were. Thank you a million for shedding light on this topic. I can say, I bet this page will get tons of traffic due to your comment because over the past 4 months, I’ve searched online high and low asking the questions about glycering and everywhere, tons of forums people are trying to crack this “mystery” LOL. I suppose some of the problem for me was I think too hard. Over analyze. Lol. I just wanted to be totally sure though. Thank you again.

    Also, I actually did oil pull for a little while! ๐Ÿ™ I used the Virgin Coconut Oil from Tropical Traditions, and I stupidly let the dang jar mold! An entire jar! ๐Ÿ™ I let it set by the stove like an idiot. That was several months ago, and I’m still kicking myself for ever doing that. Lol. I do need to get my hands on some more, but I tend to be a cheapskate and worry about spending so much again. Do you think the cheap Wal-Mart coconut oil would do the trick for oil-pulling?

    As for the bone-killing meds, I’d love to drop them, but I just now got to where I’m healthy enough to live a life because I’d been suffering for years with endometriosis and another nasty stomach issue (one that actually, after years of debilitating pain, I ended up solving the problem in only a couple months by taking coconut oil and eating my aloe!). Anyways though, the condition with the endo is why I take the meds. They prevent the endometriosis from continuing to… grow. Ick. But true. I have came really close to just stopping the medication though. It scares me, and it’d have been nice for them to tell me that it caused serious bone issues. I didn’t know it did that until I had my teeth problems arrive and I started searching around to find the culprit online and sure enough. I found the mess about that medication being the problem.

    These days I take 2 Vitachews (I think that’s the name. I know it’s vita-something.) the calcium and breast/bone health ones. I take two daily to get Judd’s recommended 1,000 mg of calcium each day. ๐Ÿ™‚ They are expensive though, but I’m so skeptical about what brands are best after learning that some of the popular vitamin brands have been shown to contain toxic amounts of lead and such, and then some of them don’t actually even contain as much of the vitamins they claim! A woman I know who’s battling breast cancer recommended those vita-things to me because she said her dr. wanted her to take them only they were hard for her to chew.

    Accupuncture is actually something I’ve been SO interested in trying! I even looked up the pricing of an Accupuncturist (if that’s what they’re even called) near my area, but they never did respond to me with any direct price at all, so I didn’t follow up.

    Thank you so much Ian for your helpful suggestions. You said supplement with Vitamin D3 and 10000 UI of D3. I will do that. Thank you for telling me. I am not sure how much my Vita thingys have in them, but I will check. Ooooh! Calcium bone powder? I was just reading something about the lecithin powder in Judd’s book that brought me to reading something about this powder, but I ended up confused before ending my search. Lol. I checked into the lecithin powder recommended in his book, and well, the price discouraged me. :/

    I’m taking notes now. Jotting your sugegstions on my little post-it. I’ll look into the Calcium Hydroxyapatite. Any suggestions as to a particular brand or anything?

    That reminds me of the time I tried this strange eggshell thing. I don’t know if I was over-thinking that one too, but I just couldn’t find detailed instructions that would make the solution turn out right. Each time I tried it, they turned out funky! If I recall correctly, you crush or blend eggshells then cover in a tight jar and add… vinegar? I can’t remember for sure what was to be added, but I tried the solution three times with results that did not seem right. It either left the eggshells still eggshells or smelled so putrid that it couldn’t have been safe. Lol. Whatever it was, it was said to turn into actual calcium, then you eat it. It nearly broke my teeth just trying to eat the eggshells since they wouldn’t dissolve correctly.

    You also mentioned changing the PH. How would I test the PH to know?

    Also, that was awesome information on the Auromere products! So I take it it would actually be fine to use their tooth paste products? If so, that’s super good news because I’d love to switch from this gag-worthy soap I’ve used lately. It’s enough that I totally dread even brushing. I love those prices of the Auromere products too! I was totally turned off to the Bronners’ products due to pricing. I really felt like it was a way to target people and kind of even take advantage for that price. I mean, those ingredients surely don’t make the price that high. I’d say it’s a little over-done. Especially if Auromere’s are actually safe and they’re so much cheaper.

    Anyway, I’m off to check into the Calcium stuff you recommended as well as earth paste. I’m so ecstatic about this info that I can hardly sit still. A huge relief knowing that the Glycerin issue isn’t of any concern as long as it’s from natural sources. That will take a lot of stress off me now. If you happen to want to get in touch or have any other great information like this to share, feel free to email me. kendra30752[at]inbox[dot]com I’m always interested in suggestions such as the ones you mentioned above.

    • AriesWarlock October 21, 2012 / 18:26


      We used to use tropical tradition coconut oil, but we recently found one of higher quality obtained by centrifuge action:


      Yes, I think it’s fine to use Auromere. But another really good paste is Periobrite by Nature’s Answer. It does more than clean teeth, it promotes periodontal health:


      They even put the picture of the dentist who formulated that paste. How many companies do that? Read the reviews on Amazon or Vitacost, pretty much good reviews everywhere.
      If you have high sensitivity you can start with a different toothpaste.

      To change the PH in your body, you can search online for acidic foods to avoid. Then start drinking alkaline water. My supermarket sells natural alkaline water called Eternal Water, so you can probably find alkaline water in supermarkets in your area.

    • Fonda LaShay October 22, 2012 / 18:16

      crazy, I did not know Coconut oil cold mold.. it is supposed to be anti-bacterial.. I think something must have gotten in yours. I know many people in warm climates leave theirs out and it is always in a liquid state.

      I think you should look into this guy.. he is a genius and has great post on endometriosis.

      • Kendra Richards January 17, 2013 / 08:23

        Thanks for sharing that. I love that you are continuing this journey and updating us. I know we’ve probably overwhelmed you with questions & comments, mostly me! LOL. I’m so excited you’ve updated recently, and will be going straight to read that in a second. I wanted to say that I think my coconut oil molded because I may have gotten droplets of water in there. ๐Ÿ™ I also ended up leaving it out of the frige and near the stove, which was totally stupid and careless. I learned my lesson! I have also made enormous changes and learned more and more since my last comment here. I’ve now tried about 6 diff. soaps on my teeth and finally settled with a nice one from Maadisha. Tastes better than any I’ve tried. I am currently using the one with Neem and other herbs that are awesome for teeth and the taste is minimal compared to others.

        One of you guys recommended Auromere & I also got some Neem soaps from there! I found the baby-powdery scent to be overwhelming and can hardly handle it on my skin, much less my mouth, so I do not use it on my teeth, but do on my body. I also gave a bar to my 7 year old neice who’d been suffering from UTI’s & the Auromere soap cleared her problems up instantly. And my nephew developed this strange, horrid skin condition randomly the past few months and it seemed to be psoriasis so before talking about possibly seeing a Dr. for chemical-infested creams, I got him to try the sensitive skin bar from Maadisha, and you know, not even 7 days later his hands and wrists are almost completely healthy again? Just 3 weeks ago they were so scaly and one area had a chunk of skin gone from where he peeled at it. It’s healed all up now! Yay for wonderful soap.

        Back to teeth, though. I have YET to go back to toothpaste! Not one single time. I’m toughing it out. I went to my local herb store and got some Kirk’s castille soap. Oh dear Jesus was it horrid! Stung my little tongue. I couldn’t handle it. But it’s still a good soap. I also got some olive oil (for only $5 at Marshall’s,it was WAAYY cheaper than going back for coconut oil) and have been oil-pulling only a little because I have those 3 teeth that have the temporary fillings. Yep, I’ve not been back to that blasted dentist and only just now got my ins. again, so still haven’t gone to find a new one to fill them permanantly because I am hesitant now and I have some hope they may heal? Maybe not. Maybe so. But I read that oil-pulling can cause your fillings to come out! So I worried it’d really cause my temporary fillings to damage. Also, sadly, I did notice what looks like a scratch on my lower tooth, a side tooth. Not sure of the name of it. It’s one that has a temporary filling, and I’ve been feeling some deep painful sensations. I’m worried I’ve cracked it or something! I have truly become a paranoid over my teeth ever since that dentist and these problems that’ve came up. I’ve actually given up a lot of my life.

        Anyways, I try to oil-pull twice a week, but would love to do it more without worryng my fillings may come out/damage. I have noticed a difference in how I feel though! I feel better. I’ve also started using this spikey mat — an accupressure mat called Yantra mat. I lay on it & I’ve noticed some small, nice benefits and it helps with my paranoia/anxiety over my teeth.

        Okay, like I said, I’ve made LOTS of changes! I’ve been updating my info on my blog. I’ve also done a video on my youtube channel showing the different soaps I’ve used and how I like them. And Fonda La Shay, I mentioned in my video that most of my inspiration came right here from your blog! A little shout-out for ya. ๐Ÿ™‚

        Now, have any of you heard of using an ultra sound device for “regrowing” teeth? I’ll try to be brief so I don’t totally go madness on your comments like I tend to do. LOL. But I have been researching this. Apparently, a Canadian study showed that a rat regrew his little ol’ teeth after the use of an ultra-sound device was used. I’m keeping it brief, so if you want to read the article, do a search on it and it’ll pull up instantly. So, I have been saving up for a 1mhZ ultra-sound device — yep, I told you guys. I’ve basically dedicated my LIFE to saving my teeth — but I’ve ran into a little confusement. It’s hard to tell which is the right device since there are so many with pretty much the same features, the same guarantees, but they can range from $60-something to well over $100. The one mentioned in the article where someone says they’ve been using it for their teeth is a Nova Sonic one, which I found on Amazon for like $159 and put it in my cart for comparing to others. Course you need to make sure the device is the proper mhZ, which from what I read would be about 1mHz and need to be CE certified and have all those “certifications.” Thing is, most of them do, despite the price diffs. So the cheapster that I am tells me to buy the cheaper device and just forget the carry-case and $169 device. I mean, they all have the SAME certifications (the ones I have added to my cart for comparison purposes) the manufacturers seem reputable & they offer a great MBG if you want to return.

        Any of you guys getting into this ultra-sound for tooth re-growth? I’m so desperate that I think I’m going to try it.

        As for the other changes I’ve made, I’ve been looking into trying to eat more organic food — so far I’ve found little to nothing. I’m considering growing my own herbs (oregano, parsley, basil, cilantro & a few more) for some extra health benefits. And in my area though, I’m having a tough time finding an organic market, but Ramiel’s words (the Cure Tooth Decay guy) is who has convinced me I may need to try things like ghee, butter oil, etc. But they are very expensive. I’ve yet to find a decent deal. I’d like to find a good farmer’s market in my area and try starting a few organic fruits & vegetables.

        Also, I’m still taking the wheatgrass with loads of benefits in it. I’ve added Chia seeds to my diet (a large handful a day, sometimes two) because they’re loaded with calcium and more great stuff, but also expensive. Thankfully, my mom has some and didn’t care for them, so I didn’t have to shell out $12 for them. I got a decent calcium supplement from my herb store (Now brand) It’s the calcium/magnesium, which is what the owner at the herb store recommended. Course they were the most high-priced calcium supplement there, so perhaps that is why, but I worried I’d get one that didn’t “absorb” or really get calcium in my body, which is what she said might happen. Truth or was she just making a sale? I paid a whopping $12 for the blasted things! LOL.

        I also try taking a sip of olive oil everyday for the health benefits and that combined with the chia seeds will hopefully give me enough omega 3 since I eat hardly no foods with omega3.

        I really don’t know 100% if my teeth are improving. I have that new scratch/crack on my temp fillled tooth, but the other day, I could’ve sworn that tooth my dentist knocked a hole in while extracting my wisdom was healing! I was feeling for it and said “omg!! I think the hole is gone, or has healed somewhat because I don’t feel it with my tongue!” I can feel a small speck though now. My root canal tooth seems much healthier when I’m oil-pulling. I’m prettty sure it was infected since the dentist didn’t put the cap thingy over it! I continue to work my butt off for this and pray for my own dental health and yours though. ๐Ÿ™‚

        Sorry. I ended up making a long post again. ๐Ÿ™ I really love sharing all of our experiences here. It has helped me. It’s been a life saver! I want to hear all the changes and improvements from you and everyone else who’s going on this journey.

        Now, I’m off to read your updates!

        • AriesWarlock January 17, 2013 / 19:32

          Kendra, whoa, I think you are doing too much.

          Even though Dr. Judd says any soap is better to brush than toothpaste, I wouldn’t do it. I suggest after you are done with your bar soap to look into tooth soap specifically formulated for the PH of the mouth. I only know of two brands that sell such tooth soap: Rose of Sharon Acres and Tooth Soap. They both use organic coconut oil. I prefer Rose of Sharon Acres because it contains neem and xylitol, both some of the best ingredients for natural dental care. I have noticed a drastic reduction of sensitivity in a tooth that has been bothering me for some years now.
          Follow both stores on facebook or subscribe to their newsletter, from time to time they have sale specials. Get someone to buy with you if you want to split shipping fees. I think you’ll be much better in the long run with these brands.

          • Kendra Richards January 18, 2013 / 06:43

            You mean doing too much different soaps or doing too much different things to improve my heatlh? If you mean the soaps, I’m 100% positive the ingredients are absolutely safe for teeth. I don’t use them ALL, but I’ve experimented with all of them until I settled on the Maadisha one I liked. The Maadisha soap I use on my teeth is called Soap5 Neem Enriched. The ingredients are olive oil, holy basil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, coconut oil, palm oil, aloe, neem & wild ginger (helps prevent infection.) Each of those ingredients are safe & each of them have amazing properties for teeth, as far as I know. What is bad about that? Or did you mean I’m going overboard with all this all together? I’m trying to just make changes based on what I find in my reading. I will still check out the Rose of Sharon Acres stuff. I’ve shopped around on there before, but never have made a purchase. I’ve been keeping up with the comments here and was just checking into some sites you recommended last night. I really liked the endometriosis link you provided! Thank you for the help. ๐Ÿ™‚

            PS. I added Kefir into my diet starting tonight! I’m a first timer with Kefir and actually liked it. I also added a lovely amount of MOLD in my diet this morning when I decided to take a drink of my acai juice only to see mold growing on the cap. ๐Ÿ™ UGH! I was horrified!

        • AriesWarlock January 18, 2013 / 07:05

          It’s good you finally settled on one soap. And I meant doing too many soaps. On Rose of Sharon website they sell samplers for less than $3, so you could try that.

        • Fonda LaShay January 29, 2013 / 13:43

          glad to see you are still experimenting and finding what is best for you.

    • Alia October 19, 2013 / 20:37

      I know I’m replying to a year old comment, but have you ever thought of using eggshells as a source of calcium? They’re made of calcium carbonate, which is the calcium form in most supplements (especially the cheaper ones). What I would do is:

      -Rinse eggshells to get off all the eggwhite and other crud.
      -Bake them dry. You don’t need a very high temp, 140F kills salmonella and other bacteria. But, it’s the minerals you want and they’re not destroyed at high temps so you can go higher if you want.
      -Mash them up to a powder to take in capsules or mixed into food or drink (or to be used in toothpowder). Or, dissolve them in apple cider vinegar and take it as a liquid calcium source. It’s probably more bioavailable that way. I take minerals like calcium with vitamin C to help with bioavailability. You could probably mix the vinegar-eggshell stuff with a small amount of milk of magnesia to make sure you’re getting the right ratio of calcium to magnesium. (A web search of Henriette’s Herbal Homepage for magnesium vinegar will get you more details on that.)

      Here’s the deal with glycerin in soap. (I did soapmaking for a little while and read a lot about it.) Soap is made from oil and lye. The lye saponifies (“soaps”) the fatty acids and makes glycerin as a byproduct, which will be part of the soap if you don’t do any further processing. Back around the gold rush days, there was a really high demand for glycerin to make dynamite (nitroglyerin) and the people making soap realized they could make a fat stack of cash if they took the glycerin out of soap and sold it to miners. The soap from that time period was really drying and harsh, and when the mining revenue stream dried up, soap making companies added glycerin back to soap in higher quantities than would have occurred naturally and hyped the moisturizing properties of glycerin. Some of their soap brands probably still have the glycerin removed from their cheap brands, so they can put it in the higher end soap.

      It’s pretty easy to make soap, and it sounds like it’s possible to remove glycerin from the soap while you’re making it. (One site I was reading mentioned salting the soap solution — the soap will float and the glycerin and other impurities will sink. I never had any reason to try it myself, though.) If you wanted to go completely glycerin free, anyway. Working with lye is not that scary, you just have to be aware of what you’re doing and not use an aluminum pot.

  29. Ian October 21, 2012 / 16:33

    I can suggest you the Now Foods Calcium Hydroxyapatite (you can get it cheap from Swanson.com or Iherb)

    As for the oils in oilpulling, it’s important to use cold pressed and not refined. The cheapest would be cold pressed sunflower oil.

    You can test your saliva PH with PH testing strips (for humans, also found at Swanson or Iherb). You than raise your PH by eating alkaline foods/drinks, you start fresh juicing vegetables etc, basically more veggies and fruits and MUCH LESS junk food.

    You can try brushing your teeth with Peelu powder or Christophers teeth and gum powder (again Swanson or Iherb) and if you can get your hands on Himalaya Crystal salt (preferably Halite kind) you can make sole and brush your teeth with that (research uses for Himalayan salt)

    Your over thinking everything is fine with me, but when it comes to acupuncture (traditional Chinese medicine) over thinking affects the spleen and the digestive system. Non of the emotions is bad (love, hate, sadness worry etc etc) if it lasts shortly, but if it lasts long than it creates havoc (yes, even chronic happiness and excitement, that is what adrenaline junkies have)

    Your name is Kendra so i suppose you are from the States. If yes, Swanson is def your best bet since they have the lowest prices and you can get a lot on info from them (just go on their website and click the ”search by health concern” button, when you choose something they will give you the most important facts about any condition.

    You should also try drinking medicinal (bentonite) clay for oral use. You let it settle in a glass of water overnight and you than drink the whole thing in the morning. Some instructions say that you should only drink the water, but that’s not right, you should drink everything. Clay is smart, what it does is, it goes through your body and it picks up all poisons be them organic or inorganic and than it takes them out of your body.

    In translation, it removes heavy metals, bacteria, viruses, toxins from your body, restores your digestive flora, benefits entire body. You drink it for 3 weeks (1 PLASTIC or WOODEN teaspoon (not metal) in a glass of water in the morning, 30 minutes before eating anything) after those 3 weeks you take a break and than repeat for 3 more weeks.

    In that time it would be benefitial to eat more healthy food and exercise.

    Oh yeah, you should take Calcium Hydroxyapatite with Vitamin D3 during a meal for better absorbtion, but calcium alone is not enough, in the long term it will do you more harm than good, you also need to take Magnesium and i suggest you supplement called ZMA (it is zinc magnesium aspartate) you take 3 pills 30 minutes before going to bed.

    You should also drink horsetail grass tea since it contains silica. You should buy fresh herb and than place a tea spoon (or even a soup spoon) in a ceramic glass and cover it with boiling water (if you are from USA try using bottled water since regular contains fluoride). Than cover the glass and let it slimmer for quite some time, perhaps an hour.

    Hope some of the things i told you can help and that you can restore your health and be happy. I believe the most important thing aren’t suplements but instead its love. Love towards anything, it doesn’t have to be humans. You need to have a motivation, your eyes need to sparkle. Prayer always helps, it keeps you safe.

    Don’t worry to much, it only attracts negative things, don’t tell yourself that you can’t do this, you can’t do that… Those that don’t want to always find a reason and those who WANT SOMETHING ALWAYS FIND A WAY! That is the crucial difference.

    Right on the start you mentioned how you are a wimp. You have to realize that sadly, bigger part of the humanity today are vultures and you shouldn’t advertise that you are a pray.

    I got a bit carried away here and i hope nobody will mind ๐Ÿ™‚ Again, i wish you well with everything! Keep researching, keep asking question, be curious for it will keep you alive, just don’t over force yourself.

    Create a folder of music that keeps you safe and listen to it whenever you feel bad for any reason.

  30. Jan October 23, 2012 / 04:05

    Great info. I have a friend who makes sapponified oil soaps and I’m going to suggest she make tooth soap. She’s currently using baking powder, glycerin and pepermint oil on herself, but I’ll bet she changes after I tell her about all this.

  31. Joyce November 24, 2012 / 00:32

    Swanson’s Vitamins has Redmond Earthpaste which has no glycerin. Haven’t tried it yet, but have used Uncle Harry’s in a glass jar from Super Supplements and it too has no glycerin.

  32. myri December 6, 2012 / 09:08

    I saw on another website post that Vicco toothpaste (no glycerin) is great for regenerating gums and teeth. It takes about six months to see progress. Vitacost used to sell it but no longer have it.

  33. AriesWarlock December 15, 2012 / 19:59

    I found this bit in Weleda’s site, they are known for making natural, homeopathic toothpastes:

    Why do you use glycerin in your toothpastes when recent studies show it demineralizes teeth?

    Glycerin is a natural substance derived from vegetable fats that is often used in food, medicines and skincare. Itโ€™s well-tolerated by the skin and absorbs in water. Glycerin is used as a humectant, which means it keeps moisture in the skin. It is also used as an emulsifying agent to help give a formula a smooth consistency for easy application. In our toothpastes, glycerin enhances the brush-ability of the formula and prevents it from drying out. Glycerin does not cause demineralization of the teeth unless it is used in conjunction with bleaching procedures.

  34. Amanda December 18, 2012 / 01:12

    Is this still working for you? What have your dentist check-ups been like? I’m bothered by receding gums… baking soda actually seems to help that (though everything on the internet says it should be otherwise)… but I’m trying to find a gentler solution to my gum woes. This seemed like a good idea. That soap isn’t easy to come by (online anyway), though I did manage to find some like it. Anyway – thanks!

      • A Jump November 19, 2013 / 02:05

        Thanks Aries! I just now returned to find your post from a year ago ๐Ÿ™ I will give the CoQ10 a try too! My gum problem have improved by changing to a coconut oil/baking soda mix, but the CoQ10 can’t hurt… I actually used to take that supplement in my twenties off and on. Thanks again!

    • Fonda LaShay January 3, 2013 / 20:45

      Still going great! I actually will be going into the dentist in the next few weeks and will give an update after that ๐Ÿ™‚

      I did abit of reading around, as as per the CoQ10 recommendation from AriesWarlock I found this as recommended Supplements: CoQ10 (2 caps of 400mg each), magnesium citrate (500 mg) both daily. I saw that magnesium is a nutrient that helps fight against periodontitis – which is probably due to the face that it helps lots with inflammation.

      A sign of Magnesium deficiency is receding gums. There is no good way to check of a deficiency as there is only 1% magnesium in the blood, and there will always be that 1% there and for example lacking in other places. The body is good at making sure the blood has it first. I would suggest taking some powdered magnesium like Calm (http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=calm+magnesium&x=0&y=0#bid=PTG&none), and then taking some via the skin. You can take to much magnesium orally/internally but you can not transdermally (via skin) so for that reason I take i think 350 mg of magnesium via Calm and then I have a 50/50 mix of magnesium oil and mineral water (non-chlorine water) and spray it on my stomach when I get up and go to bed. I use this kind in a glass spray bottle: http://www.iherb.com/Health-and-Wisdom-Inc-Magnesium-Oil-16-fl-oz-473-ml/34292 One of the next post I plan to do will be on Magnesium. As I have just recently discovered how important it is and want thoughts on it down soon!

      I also read somewhere (sorry for no sources, going off memory here) that if you have a loose tooth that magnesium of a high does for a few weeks will tighten it back up when getting enough calcium durning that time too!

      Best of Luck! Keep us updated on your progress!

      • A Jump November 19, 2013 / 02:09

        I just posted my update! All is well! Thanks. I will definitely look into the magnesium too. I too am a coffee drinker and when it seemed my teeth were getting yellower with the olive soap, I decided to work at finding a different solution (coconut oil and baking soda plus rinsing with water during the day). Nevertheless, this blog certainly inspired me to make some kind of change for the sake of my mouth and I’m glad I did! Thanks for sharing your personal experiences here! =)

    • Fonda LaShay January 16, 2013 / 14:05

      Just posted an update at the end of the article, check it out ๐Ÿ™‚

  35. Miranda Soodak January 28, 2013 / 20:34

    Hey I was just wondering, do you rinse your mouth out with water after you brush your teeth with the soap.. ??

    • Fonda LaShay January 29, 2013 / 13:43

      oh yes! and i brush abit with just water after ward too, just to make sure it is all off and they are clean

  36. Eliza February 2, 2013 / 21:51

    Hey. Just read your post and I was wondering if using coconut oil instead of an oil soap would work just as well?

  37. Jordan February 3, 2013 / 00:46

    Been using tooth soap for a few days now, the small cavities I have in my chipped tooth are definitely a bit smaller. My teeth feel really slick and stay clean all day.
    Just tried oil pulling and it feels like I’ve been to the dentist and received a thorough cleaning.

  38. Jenn February 4, 2013 / 18:07

    Thank you Mint & Chilli for giving me the idea to try this. I have ALWAYS had problems with my teeth, and I started doing this about 2 weeks ago now. Found I do miss the mint flavor and feeling of my toothpaste, but I picked up a very minty floss, and that has helped. I love how my teeth feel now, and I haven’t had ANY sensitivity issues (which was my biggest concern).

    I did discover that using a soap that has tallow as an ingredient, was a bad idea. I’m now using an all natural almond and olive oil soap. It has taken me a bit to get to use to the taste, and I’m going to try a straight olive oil soap next time I make it to my soap shop.

    Besides the few minor setbacks, this has probably been one of the most positive experiences for my teeth ever! I’m going to keep it up, and see what my dentist has to say in a few months… guess we will know how well it is going then!

    • Fonda LaShay February 13, 2013 / 10:36

      You could try Dr. Bronner’s Mint Bar Soap. I have used it in the past, and my Dad is using it for the same reason you speak of – missing the mint taste. You can buy it on iherb (my favorite online store!): http://iherb.com/p/6972?rcode=sog981

      I am so glad it is helping you! Keep us updated!

  39. Kendra Richards February 5, 2013 / 05:12

    Eliza, yes, I’m pretty sure you can just use coconut oil. It’s actually VERY healthy for teeth and amazing for oil-pulling. As for soap that contains coconut oil (and no glycering or other icky ingredients) it’s great if it has coconut oil added!

    PS. An update… Guys, I quit using soap on my teeth about a week ago! I started using OraMD & Chewy’s Tooth powder. I really could not do the crappy soap taste for a second longer. It got to where I was dreading even brushing everyday. You guys are champs, but I could not last. Good news is, OraMD & the Chewy’s stuff I’ve been using is FABULOUS. I adore it! It has amazing gum benefits. I haven’t used the Chewy’s stuff daily because I’m scared it’s too abrasive for my teeth. It’s hard to know. The ingredients are “Real” salt, soda and peppermint. No idea how abrasive the “real salt” or soda might be, so I’m so scared to use it daily. But I do love both of these new products I’ve added in and I’m much, much happier! I’ve noticed nicer benefits than with the soap because I think that strong OraMD is really killing any bacteria. Less tooth pain! Also, it’s so strong that it keeps away my coffee or garlic breath all day long! And it keeps the icky taste from staying on my tongue. Anybody know if the ingredients I mentioned would be too abrasive for daily use? I don’t use baking soda because my front teeth have transparency & I worry they aren’t strong enough for abrasive stuff.

    • AriesWarlock February 6, 2013 / 05:59

      Kendra, I did not know any of those products, so I had to look them up. They look like they could be effective, but they also look very bare bones.

      OraMD looks interesting, but $29.95 for a 15ml bottle????? Look up ESSENTIAL OXYGEN, you can brush and rinse with it. Contains hydrogen peroxide, a powerful antiseptic as well as a whitening agent, along with a mix of essential oils and aloe vera. It is organic, and it’s $10.79 a 16ml bottle. Look up the Essential Oxygen website and read all the info there, I think you will find it interesting.

      Chewy’s Toothpowder looks OK. What is this real salt they use? $8.50 a 2-oz bottle? Where do you find these ‘deals’? There’s a toothpowder from the company ECO-DENT that is very effective. Contains sea salt that is known for its disinfectant properties. It contains baking soda without aluminum. It contains other great ingredients that support oral health such as myrrh. It has a history of more than 50 years. A 4-oz bottle costs $7.79. You can find plenty of reviews online about it. Very effective and very economical.

      Keep these two in mind for your next oral purchase.

  40. Kendra Richards February 7, 2013 / 06:52

    Yes, Aries, I actually was brushing this morning with OraMD & thought wow, this little bottle might actually not last as long as I thought! I sure wish it came in a larger bottle. It’s expensive for a small bottle, so I started considering maybe making my own with the same ingredients (the peppermint, spearmint & almond essential oils) and maybe come out cheaper? I don’t know though. Thank you for sharing the Essential Oxygen with me. Sounds soooooo neat! I’m going to look it up right now. OMG I ADORE aloe vera. I’m like an aloe crazy lady! I use it for everything, even eat it! Aloe has been such a miracle for me, really. Life changing! But that’s a whole ‘nother story. Lol. I’ll go look into the Eco-dent too. Sea salt does have great qualities. I kind of got the impression this “real salt” in Chewy’s was sea salt after what I’d read in the Edgar Cayce book, but I really don’t know. I’m going to email the company and ask though.

    As for the “real salt” in Chewy’s, I have zero clue! Been trying to find out myself. I agree, Chewy’s is expensive. I don’t quite know why because I have yet to understand what this “real salt” is or where it is obtained from (which is partly why I’m hesitant about using it as I don’t know if it’ll be abrasive & worry about using any abrasives on my teeth these days). However, I do trust the Chewy’s proudct & the maker. I actually found out about Chewy’s through this Edgar Cayce studies I was reading about — extremely, extremely helpful and interesting information, I must say — and learned that Edgar Cayce recommended the same ingredients that are in Chewy’s for healthy, safe teeth brushin’. I have this Edgar Cayce book I’ve been reading is how I got interested & ended up doing a search online about the ingredients and came across Chewy’s. When I find out more, I’ll definitely update here in case it’s useful info for someone else. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thank you so much for informing me of these products & giving me advice, Aries. This has been really helpful! One more thing: has anyone else here who’s been brushing with soap noticed new teeth stains? When examining the little bits of my two front teeth that appear to be slightly transparent, it almost looks like I have stains! Not terrible at all, but I noticed a tint to them in a photograph taken of me & kind of wondered about it. It could very well be that my usual super, almost abnormally white teeth have somewhat dulled in color due to using so much wheatgrass & not using the chemical-filled toothpastes that kept them so white. I’m kind of curious about it because I do want to lift those stains, but am so worried about using anything abrasive on them lately, which is probably just pure paranoia! LOL. I’ve also been consuming more coffee the past month than usual & instead of drinking wheatgrass as a juice, I let the powder sit in my mouth because 1. it’s much easier to take that way for me (without having to drink it) and 2. because I’d been having pain and wanted to clean things out as well as hopefully neutralize the pH and all that lovely stuff, so for a few weeks, I was holding a pile of wheatgrass powder in my mouth daily and that probably stained them a bit too.

    Anyways, best of luck to everyone! I will definitely be back to keep up with how everyone else is doing and update as I continue trying new things & all that lovely stuff.

    Blessings everyone,

    • AriesWarlock February 11, 2013 / 01:33

      Kendra, you are welcome. Let us know if you use any of the two products I mentioned to you.
      For the eco-dent tooth powder, I enhance it with some xylitol. I asked the company on their facebook page and told me that it was totally OK. In fact, they are looking themselves to add xylitol in their powders.
      If you go to xlearDOTcom and scroll down you will see two videos of a physician talking about the benefits of xylitol in oral care. So, I got xylitol online, mixed it with the tooth powder, and I think it’s even better now.

  41. Ian February 10, 2013 / 19:48

    For those who dislike brushing teeth with soap I recommend Christopher’s Herbal tooth and gum powder

    Eco-Dent Daily Care (different tastes)

    Ipsab Tooth Powder

    Organix South, Theraneem Naturals, Neem Tooth & Gum Powder

    If you REALLY insist on using toothpaste, I recommend this one

    It does contain glycerine, but from a vegetable source and not from black oil (soap also contains naturally forming glycerine).

    Another alternative is to make Himalaya salt sole (so-lay). This is made by putting Himalaya salt in pure water (preferably Kosher spring water). Water can take up to 21% of salt and than it becomes saturated, meaning, no more salt can’t dissolve. That is what naturally occurs in the Dead Sea, and we all know how many benefits that have.

    Himalaya Salt is probably the healthiest salt in the world because it contains 84 microelements.

    To make Himalaya Salt mouthwash, you should use 1 quart of pure (kosher spring) water and place some 300 grams of Himalaya salt. What happens is, about 210gr of salt will dissolve while the rest will remain on the bottom.

    In this solution NOTHING CAN SURVIVE so it’s completely clear of any bacteria, viruses etc. You can use it instead of your regular mouthwash and you can wash teeth with it, just pour some water on your tooth brush, or better yet put a small amount in your mouth and then wash as you would normally. It is an alkaline, rich in mineral solution which promotes tooth remineralization and prevents cavities, gum issues etc etc.

    You can also drink this solution by taking 1 teaspoon in a glass of pure water on an empty stomach. For more info google “benefits (or uses) of Himalaya salt, or read the book “Water and salt-the essence of life”.

    You can buy the salt here

    In case you never bought anything on Iherb, you can use my promo code DEJ276 and get a 10$ discount on your first order (if it’s 40$ or more in total, if it’s less then 40, you get 5$ discount).

    Hope I helped out.

    • mark May 7, 2015 / 11:17

      the powder stained my teeth,as i lost so much enamel. the salt left my mouth dry and more susceptible to infections. might work for some – not others.

      if you have lost lots of enamel and having staining below the root caries and dry mouth DO NOT DO THE ABOVE.

  42. Ian February 15, 2013 / 22:44

    And in case you still don’t know which SOAP to get for brushing teeth, I personally recommend Dr. Bronner’s Pure Castile Soap, Hemp Baby Mild, Unscented


    It’s very mild and neutral, no stinging (because none of the sodium hydroxide remains after saponifying).

    I bite off small chunks with my teeth when washing. It is really easy to bite it of, it’s very fragile. Def. the best I tried so far.

  43. Joe February 18, 2013 / 07:47

    I badly want to be convinced of your success, but my mind is having a hard time getting past the totally ambiguous initial picture of you recessed teeth. It is also of very low quality, so one cannot zoom in on it to comparepictures. Nice thought provoking blog, but take it from someone with a degree in physics that you need to work on your documentation techniques. If and when you ever get into a debate with one of those fluoride-obsessed, caveman-science dentists, then their buddies will gang up on you and make you out to be one of those wacko people who refuses to take their kids to the doctor for any reason. So, i will leave you with three words…documentation, Documentation, and DOCUMENTATION, because we haven’t invented time travel yet. Also, bullshit meters don’t work that well online when the person taking shots at you is faceless and they stand on the shoulders of giants because they don’t know how to climb and see the world for themselves. Have a good one, and I sincerely hope to get a notification email concerning a new “before” picture soon. Thanks for the good info!

  44. Joe February 18, 2013 / 08:08

    Sorry, I meant recessed GUMS, not teeth, as the last word in the first sentence.

    BTW, the spam system on here is annoying because it presents the clue in words and it assumes that you know the correct format in which to respond.

    For instance, the answernto, “nine minus six is…” three = 3 = 03. I could keep going with roman numerals, ancient Egyptian numbers, or even Sumerian cuneiform, but I don’t think those would be in the ball park. Lol ๐Ÿ™‚

  45. Steff March 3, 2013 / 22:58

    Okay, ona lot of olive oil soapsites it says something like: ‘All our handmade soaps contain the natural glycerin produced from the olive oil during the soap making process.’ Is this okay? I really want try this but I want to be sure I’m buying the right thing ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Fonda LaShay March 5, 2013 / 18:34

      There will always be some glycerin from the soap making process — it is ADDED GLYCERINE that we are worried about.

      • Jocelyn May 12, 2013 / 08:59

        I’m looking around for recipes for making toothpaste and came across your blog. Just brush my teeth with soap. I make handmade soap, so plenty around for me to try. I’m using my neem soap, heard from Dr Oz that it is great for teeth care but warning to anyone who is planning to have babies, neem is suppose to be a contraceptive.

        Glycerine soaps are transparent soaps like neutrogena.

        Normally handmade soap is made by mixing oil (vegetable/animal fat), water and sodium hydroxide = soap + glycerine.

        To make glycerine soap, alcohol (sorbitol is more commonly use now) and more glycerine is added to clarify the soap making it transparent.

        There are many ways of making soap but this is a short summary. Thanks for the blog, so excited to see the result. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • mark May 7, 2015 / 11:19

          thats great, now can you make us some?

  46. Svend E. March 18, 2013 / 21:36

    After reading this post last year, and doing some further research, was inspired to go off toothpaste and try the soap method… Have been assiduously brushing my teeth with Tooth Soap peppermint strips twice a day (for 2-3 minutes at a time) with an electric toothbrush & flossing daily for eight months now– and am disconcerted by the results, which are different from what many report on here. My teeth used to be pretty white, and have turned yellowish, and some pale brown spots have appeared on a number of them, along with darker brown plaque in blocked and hard-to-reach places. The edges on some teeth have become translucent. Haven’t noticed any abrasions/cavities becoming smaller. Also, before beginning this experiment, my teeth were not especially sensitive, and I’ve noticed that they have become increasingly sensitive to anything cold, to the point that eating something like ice cream or cold yogurt sometimes causes mild pain. Several weeks ago I started brushing with a little baking soda plus peroxide twice a week to see if I could rewhiten them, which seems to be working a little, but not much. I wonder what could possibly be going wrong. . . Has anyone else had any experiences (positive, negative) with long term use of Tooth Soap? Any insights would be appreciated!

    • AriesWarlock March 21, 2013 / 07:02

      Svend, what brand of soap are you using? My teeth have not gotten darker like that because I knew soap is not abrasive, and teeth need to be exfoliated. So, I brush my teeth with toothpaste due to its abrasivity a few times a week to keep them from getting darker.

  47. Svend E. March 23, 2013 / 19:52

    Hi Aries,

    I was using Tooth Soap brand (www.toothsoap.com), the peppermint flavored soap shreds. Looked more closely at my teeth with a flashlight, and there is more decay than I realized; looks like my teeth have proverbially been ‘rotting out.’ This is all the more disconcerting because they were pretty white & healthy before using the tooth soap. Should have paid closer, in which case would have caught the decay earlier. Did periodically notice that my teeth were becoming yellower, but didn’t look closely; perhaps put too much faith in the many positive reports I’d read (only a few mentioned this brand specifically, though) and didn’t think this degree of decay could happen this quickly.

    Have currently made my own toothpaste with baking soda (non aluminum), calcium/magnesium powder, sea salt, and coconut oil (organic, cold pressed, etc), and have started taking a cod liver oil/butter oil supplement, which, in conjunction with diet, is supposed to remineralize teeth, and also rinsing periodically with activated charcoal for 3-5 minutes at a time, which is supposed to whiten teeth, and organic sesame oil (‘oil pulling’) for 15-25 minutes. The oil pulling, which I’ve done every day for a week, *seems* to be doing nothing, either for removing plaque, whitening, or ‘detoxifying,’ contrary to some reports I’ve read. The activated charcoal does seem to work very well for whitening. (I wonder whether rinsing w/ activated charcoal or doing ‘oil pulling’ might cause mercury to come out of fillings? Haven’t seen information about this anywhere.)

    Anyway, so I’m hoping these methods actually DO work, because there seems to be a lot of supporting evidence behind them. But if my teeth keep going downhill, seems I’ll need to get back on commercial toothpaste and rinses ๐Ÿ™

    Has anyone else had a similar experience with Tooth Soap brand or in general? Any advice? Thanks

    • AriesWarlock March 23, 2013 / 20:34


      that’s really unfortunate and strange. From toothsoap Q&A site:

      Teeth need to be exfoliated occasionally to remove common, everyday food stains. Regular toothpaste contains harsh abrasives that prevent effective remineralization. Because Tooth Soapยฎ contains ZERO abrasives, teeth naturally get dull and yellow over time if a mild abrasive is not used at least twice a week to remove the food stains

      I recommend you contact toothsoap on facebook about your situation. And if you are still within the 90 days of purchase you can return the product for a full refund, it says so on their site.

    • Fonda LaShay March 24, 2013 / 17:08

      What a bummer to hear! Aries it correct, using something to exfoliate is good – I use baking soda every Sunday. Also you might look into foods that harm the teeth like wheat. It is really sad that it does not work for you… everyone I know using soap is having good results. Also, ti s not so much the brand of tooth soap that matters I think — it is more the ingredients.

      I would suggest going in to see the dentist for a cleaning (and general check up since you are worried about rot), and getting a baking soda wash while you are there. It really whitens things up, my dentist knows I dont like the fluoride and other chemical cleanings- so he sugest I get the baking soda wash 2x a year. I like it a lot.

  48. Vic March 25, 2013 / 21:38

    how often do you clean your teeth?
    Do you floss?

    • Fonda LaShay April 1, 2013 / 17:35

      Daily. Every day for sure!!

      and yes, I floss every so often – but not daily!

  49. Svend E. March 28, 2013 / 02:01

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the responses.

    Doubtful that sending an email to Tooth Soapยฎ would elicit a helpful response. Either: (a) They know that their products (or at least, the soap shreds) don’t work, but want to keep selling them to make money and won’t admit it, (b) Don’t know that they don’t work and will think I’m trying to malign them, (c) Maybe only work for some people (although, having looked at more reports around the web, some people say that their teeth became yellow and-or the products didn’t seem to work at all) or there’s another variable involved.

    Yes, I do eat bread and wheat products occasionally– but usually organic, small-batch. Tend to eat pretty healthily.

    The toothpaste I made (baking soda, calcium/magnesium powder, sea salt, and coconut oil) seems to be working a lot better, although suppose need more time to tell. (A little dubious about the calcium/magnesium powder, as it foams when it touches water; don’t know if this is okay.) And the activated charcoal has definitely whitened my teeth considerably pretty quickly.

    Yes, will definitely go to the dentist and get a baking soda wash.

    If anyone else who has had experience with Tooth Soapยฎ or any similar issues comes across this post, any insights would be welcome.

    • Fonda LaShay April 1, 2013 / 17:40

      The natural color for teeth is not bright white. If you look at animals you will see that. It is just our culture that thinks our teeth should be bleach white. That being said, they should not be dark yellow either.

      Think the toothpaste you are making sounds good.. i have heard of many using something along those lines. Magnesium (at least the kind I take in liquid) always bubbles when it mixes with water…

      best of luck!

  50. Ian April 11, 2013 / 11:48

    For occasional “abrasive cleaning” I recommend “Eco-Dent Daily Care”. It has naturally effervescent baking soda (aluminium free) + calcium, magnesium etc, MINUS glycerin and fluoride.

    It is considered to be mildly abrasive. Just what you need. Another alternative is using medicinal clay which has an abundance of minerals and is a bit gritty.

    There is a huge difference between “stain yellow teeth” and overall yellow teeth. Overall yellow teeth are most likely translucent at top. The yellowness might suggest liver issues (like yellow eyes suggest jaundice, but not as serious). Traditional Chinese Medicine sees it as a block of Liver Qi, liver energy. Liver is the most important organ and has a major role in production of most enzymes, even those in charge of maintaining teeth health via saliva.

    The problem with western medicine (including cosmetic issues) is that they only look at symptoms. They use lasers and chemicals on acne, all sorts of cremes to moisten skin, to make it dry etc. While Chinese medicine sees it all as a part of a larger problem. For example, somebody goes to an acupuncture therapist for digestive issues and goes out with his face looking completely different. Much better complexion, dark eyes under eyes lost, feet and hands no longer cold, skin not dry etc…

    @SvendE, can you please explain to me what you are doing with activated charcoal? Do you just put it in your mouth and swish? Do you add water?

  51. PJ Boothe April 26, 2013 / 00:05

    I don’t know how much I would be willing to try this myself, but if it works, all power to you! I have been trying multiple techniques for teeth whitening, an none seem to work for me.

  52. Jaanika April 29, 2013 / 12:03

    Hey Fonda!

    In 10 days it will be ONE YEAR since I started brushing my teeth with organic virgin coconut oil. I feel great, my teeth feel great and they have a nice lighter colour now. I still don’t use shampoo either, although I have had to wash my hair with a soap for about 4-5 times in this first year. Different places have different water. Our country sits on limestone and our water is not good at all for rinsing your hair. In winter I melted snow and washed my hair with that. Perfect!! But now it’s spring and snow is gone and I need to find a new way. But I will definitely find it ๐Ÿ™‚ I will never use shampoo, conditioner or toothpaste anymore … ever! Our bodies just don’t need them ๐Ÿ™‚ Thanks for the inspiration, Fonda. Much appreciated.


    • Fonda LaShay May 25, 2013 / 11:25

      So glad to hear that it worked out / is working out so well for you! It is always nice to hear about! ๐Ÿ˜€

  53. Ian April 30, 2013 / 10:52

    @Jaanika, to make water soft, all you need to do is BOIL it and let it cool. The excess limestone will drop to the bottom. You can also add lemon juice (one lemon is fine).

    If you have a problem with your kitchen cutlery, say your tea pot or glasses are covered with limestone residue, just pour boiling water over them and add regular white vinegar. Not a lot of it. One small glass (tequila shot, or even less) and let it cool. It will be sparkling clear.

    You could also buy a good shower filter to soften the water. I am using this one:


    All the best ^_^

    • Jaanika November 19, 2013 / 12:24

      Thank you Ian ๐Ÿ™‚ I tried oh so many ways to rinse my hair, but now stayed with boiling the water from our pond (not from the tap) and squeezing some lemon juice in it. In summer I went swimming into a bog lake. That was perfect water for my hair! I even brought 20 liters back for rinsing. Good times. But now winter is coming and I already wait anxiously for the snow to get pure water again ๐Ÿ™‚ Every Saturday we have sauna and since the summer I have jumped into our pond also. It has done much good for my health. No more any kind of illnesses ๐Ÿ™‚ In winter I need to bring an axe with me to cut a hole in the ice, haha. Will be fun! Thank you again Fonda and Ian for inspiring me ๐Ÿ™‚


  54. Jordan May 24, 2013 / 18:33

    I bought the Kiss My Face 100% Pure Olive Oil Soap. The only ingredients are olive oil, water, and sodium chloride (salt). I also switched from using a toothbrush, which was much too abrasive on the gums, to a simple strip of sea sponge I cut from a larger pack of 4 whole sponges. The pack cost only $6. One strip will last me for a couple of weeks at least. I’m already saving money after ditching the toothbrush.

    Thank you for your advice. In less than a week–literally–my gums are finally cured. For years, I have been dealing with gum loss on my upper front teeth from brushing–too aggressively? I didn’t think so. I was even using a soft-bristled toothbrush. Now, I’m proud to say, the gums have healed, in no time at all!

    I owe it to the soap, and the sponge I use for brushing, as I believe it massages the gums while at the same time gives my teeth a nice soothing polish. My mouth has never looked better.

    You take care, Ms. F. LaShay. And thanks again for the helpful advice!

    • Fonda LaShay May 25, 2013 / 11:27

      Wonderful to hear! Clever with the sea sponge, I have not thought of that ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Jordan May 28, 2013 / 23:35

        I was curious, though. How do you know the little white deposits on your teeth are from your teeth remineralizing and not just leftover soap stuck on your teeth?

        • Fonda LaShay May 29, 2013 / 11:42

          I have never had a problem with soap on my teeth, I am not chewing on a bar of soap. ๐Ÿ™‚ You still need to throughly rinse out your mouth… if you were worried, I would sugest rinse your tooth brush and brush with just water.

          • Jordan May 29, 2013 / 17:20

            Yeah, I realized I wasn’t rinsing well enough after brushing. Since I’ve started to, a bunch of lathery soap comes out when I spit. Thanks again.

  55. Holly June 17, 2013 / 02:39

    I never heard of this but I would like to try this olive oil as my toothpaste for weeks. Hope I get the same result as yours. I will surely be happy.

  56. Sam C July 1, 2013 / 11:51

    Hello I have been brushing with Oliva soap, same one you use, for about 1 month, my teeth feel cleaner but look like they are discolouring… Did you notice anything like this? I have a little sensitivity too, but I’m sure this will pass. I think I may not have been brushing properly because I have what looks like a light green build up near gum line… Does it take about 6 months to a year to see results? I haven’t been doing baking soda wash, how often do you do this a month??

    Your help would be much appreciated,

    • AriesWarlock July 1, 2013 / 16:45

      Your teeth are discolouring because oliva soap is not abrasive enough to exfoliate your teeth. Use either toothpaste or a little baking soda a few times a week.

      • Sam y July 1, 2013 / 19:01

        cool, I will use the baking soda a few times a week then, Thanks Aries ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 19:12

        agreed, you need the baking soda. I try for every sunday or every other sunday ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Sam y August 20, 2013 / 19:43

          Thank you for replying Fonda. Can you please tell me roughly how long it took for your teeth to become whiter? ๐Ÿ™‚
          I am still going strong and haven’t touched toothpaste, and my dental app went great! He said he was surprised how clean they were, I was amazed too ๐Ÿ˜€ But if I could get a general idea into how long I’ve got until I see a difference in colour ๐Ÿ™‚ Thank uuuuuu ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 22:52

            I think that it is very different person to person. I still have some teeth that are not as white as I would like – but within the first 6 months noticed some color changes. Like I said in the article, you will not get Hollywood white teeth.. just healthy white – which is actually a bit tinted (look at animals for example). I suggest snapping a photo and making sure to use baking soda once a week – then comparing in a few more months.

            Great to hear the dentist was so impressed – that is the goal, strong healthy teeth ๐Ÿ˜€

  57. Anna July 12, 2013 / 16:09

    Thank you (Takk ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) for a great article Fonda! I been using pure olive soap now for 3 month and I just got started with baking soda too. My teeth got a lot of build up when only using the soap, no matter how much I brushed it just didn’t go away.. After a good cleaning with baking soda I finally have clean teeth again, it’s a huge difference! I will continue with it, once a week like you do. All the best from Sweden

    • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 19:13

      Hej! So glad that it is working for you!!

  58. Phil Thomas July 18, 2013 / 19:29

    This is an incredible article. I got to the point that I didn’t ever brush my teeth because of what I felt it doing to them. They are fine, maybe a little yellow, but for 15 years there was no issues, no cavities, and no diseases. I ended up only getting my teeth cleaned once a year at my Hamilton dentist. I am a huge supporter of what you are saying in this article, and, no offense, but I want to do some more research about it. After I do enough research I have a high chance of actually trying it out. Thank you so much for writing such a great article!

  59. Matt J. July 23, 2013 / 18:09

    Fonda, have you or anyone in this thread ever tried this Herbal Dentist formula? herbaldentist.net
    I am not 100% sure what is all in it, but it seems like peppermint oil among some other things. It seems to help alleviate gum and tooth pain, but I am not sure if it is doing anything long term.

    Any one else had any experience with this?

    • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 19:16

      Hi Matt, I do not have any experience with them. I would want to know their ingredients before considering testing them – which is sadly not listed on their site..

      Have you tested it out now?

      • Matt J August 21, 2013 / 15:47

        The ingredients are actually listed on their FAQ page:

        “Herbal Dentist is a 100% Natural scientific blend of Almond, Clove, Peppermint, and Spearmint oils, professionally formulated to promote complete oral health through the elimination of bacterial infection above and beneath the gum surface.
        In addition to its antibacterial properties, Herbal Dentist contains calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, which studies have shown to aid in the re-mineralization of teeth. When properly utilized as a breath freshener, ointment, mouthwash or toothpaste, soothing Herbal Dentist bathes your teeth and gums with the necessary mixture of vitamins A, B, C, D, E and K required to facilitate restoration of oral well being. ”

        I can definitely taste the mint oils when I dab a bit on my gums, and it most definitely soothes any irritation I have pretty quickly, but it is maybe too soon to tell if it is actually contributing to the overall healing of my gums?

        • Fonda LaShay August 21, 2013 / 15:57

          Will be interesting to see how it goes ๐Ÿ™‚ post back in a few months if you will.

  60. Dani July 29, 2013 / 12:51

    Thank you, Fonda! ๐Ÿ˜€

    In a few days it’s going to be a month since I stopped using toothpaste. Despite loving its “winter fresh” cooling sensation, I don’t miss it at all. I can do without its thick consistency, I never truly liked its sweet taste, and I always thought it was too harsh and drying at times.

    Soap, on the other hand, has a consistency that is lighter and just right, it isn’t harsh or drying at all, it doesn’t leave an aftertaste, and it definitely doesn’t taste luxurious (it tastes somewhat salty, bitter, and plastic) but it isn’t too bad (I became accustomed to it after three uses). My teeth really do remain slick and smooth throughout the day, too! I am surprised at how much cleaner my mouth feels compared to when I was using toothpaste! (Kinda gross, and of course I don’t recommend this to anyone, but last night I even fell asleep without cleaning my teeth and my teeth still felt super clean in the morning!)

    I think (not sure; should have taken some photos, I guess) my teeth are still the same color that they were when I was using toothpaste (my teeth weren’t exactly discolored prior to making the switch) but brighter. Haven’t gone to the dentist yet so I am not sure if this has helped with cavities (but I probably don’t have any because I don’t have any aches or anything). Being the type that is very susceptible to cavities, I hope it does help.

    I also have been rinsing with hydrogen peroxide and brushing with baking soda once every week; great stuff!

    Cheesy, but now I feel kind of excited whenever I brush my teeth. xD It’s liberating, not having to rely on expensive, complicated, harmful products. I love knowing that I have made a change for the better. I can’t wait to see what my teeth will be like many months from now!

    • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 19:17

      Glad that is it going so well for you Dani! Look forward to hearing how it goes with the dentist!

    • NK August 23, 2013 / 20:08

      I am overdue for a dentist checkup; however…ever since I stopped using toothpaste, I’ve noticed my teeth have stopped aching and my gums are no longer irritated. I also have a few tiny dark spots on two of my molars – which I am assuming are the beginning signs of cavities? Yesterday I noticed that the spots aren’t as prominent as they used to be. My teeth don’t have that crunchy feeling that was described by the OP, but it does look like my teeth are forming some type of new barrier…

  61. Kayla August 12, 2013 / 07:19

    My tongue doesn’t remain clean when I use this soap. Is this how it is with you, Fonda and anyone else that is doing this? I brush it in the morning and then later I have to brush it again. Maybe what I eat has something to do with it? I do eat some processed foods. I also, more often than not, go to bed fairly late. I drink plenty of water, however…

    • Fonda LaShay August 20, 2013 / 19:19

      Hi Kayla – It has a lot to do with what you eat. When I eat sugars or breadish like foods my tongue feels furry within minutes. I know, for example, that if I eat chocolate that this will happen. I am not really sure why this happens… I assume it is just our bodies reacting with certain foods.

      Good Luck!

      • Kayla August 23, 2013 / 20:15

        Ew, “furry” is a nasty way of describing it, but that is exactly what my tongue feels like, haha! Thanks, this was very helpful!

        Another question, which is kind of dumb but whatever: Is it unsanitary to use the same bar that is used to shower with? Does it the bar have to be stored in a certain place and in a certain way? What if it’s wet?

        • Fonda LaShay August 23, 2013 / 20:54

          I guess it could be.. it is all personal preference. I keep mine in a small box and have another for the shower.

  62. Matt J August 21, 2013 / 15:53

    Fonda, I bought the Calm Magnesium drink that you linked to in one of your posts/comments. Just curious how often I should start drinking it and when, and what you usually drink it with? Does it make you drowsy at all?

    • Fonda LaShay August 21, 2013 / 16:01

      Magnesium is best taken in the evening.. it is very relaxing.. more to some than others. We take it as the bottle says, once per day – 2 teaspoons. It all depends what flavor you have and what tastes you like. We have mixed it with fruit juice and water. The flavor we are testing now (raspberry) we find too strong to drink a whole glass.. so we are now mixing it as more of a large shot and downing it.

      If it is making you sleepy, try taking it around 30 mins before bed ๐Ÿ™‚

  63. NJL October 16, 2013 / 07:38

    Hi – This is a terrific article!! Thank you so much for sharing and posting pics! I was wondering – did you have any tea/coffee stains previously? I am a big coffee/tea drinker and have some stains on the back of my teeth. Did the new regiment (using non-glycerin soap) help remove that stain buildup at all? Thank you so much!

    • Fonda LaShay October 18, 2013 / 09:22

      Hi NJL! I am a huge coffee tea drinker… ๐Ÿ˜€

      I found that the stains did go away… I think that is most in part to the combination of using the baking soda once a week!

  64. Alex October 20, 2013 / 22:37

    Hey guys, I’ve been brushing my teeth with Kiss My Face Olive Oil soap for about 2 months now. When I started it out my teeth weren’t white but they weren’t yellow either. It felt good to brush with soap though as your mouth feels clean and it doesn’t taste that bad at all after a few washes. Now after about 2 months, I suddenly noticed that my teeth look much more yellow than they did before, any thoughts? I feel like they’re clean but they don’t look that way at all. Will it go away if I continue to brush with soap or will it just get worse? Any other ways I can try to whiten them naturally? Thanks!

    • AriesWarlock October 20, 2013 / 23:05

      It’s been explained that you need an abrasive agent since soap alone is not abrasive enough to polish teeth.

      • Fonda LaShay November 4, 2013 / 13:33

        Correct, Alex should use some baking soda – once a week.

  65. Myri November 2, 2013 / 12:29


    A friend of mine was cured of her endo and frybroid tumors with Acupuncture and was told by the Chinese Dr. to stop eating meat but specially red meat.

  66. Shira November 17, 2013 / 08:10

    I have just spent about an hour reading everything on this page. What a wealth of information and suggestions and recommendation for dental care products!
    My own regimen is to brush with coconut oil (thanks so much for the tip about a weekly baking soda abrasion brushing!) Afterwards I rinse with a 3% solution of FOOD GRADE H2O2 since the pharmaceutical grade is basically toxic. Then comes the salt (Himalayan) and baking soda rinse to alkalize the mouth for the night.

    Did you even wonder why some aboriginal tribes have never seen a toothbrush and yet have perfect teeth? What more proof do you need that dental care begins in the gut! As dental care expert Nadine Artemis explains, the dentyne fluid in the saliva cleans the bacteria from the teeth at night if the diet is right. If however you eat unhealthfully, the process reverses and the bacteria are deposited back onto the teeth. Wow! What a revelation!

    Bravo for recommending Calcium Hydroxyapatite and magnesium oil on the skin, guys. I can see this is a very forward-looking savvy crowd and I am glad I found you.

  67. A Jump November 19, 2013 / 01:59

    I stumbled across this article more than a year ago now. I had been dealing with receding gums since my early twenties but they seemed worse after two pregnancies. Anyway, I wasn’t able to stick with the olive soap, though I tried. I did however, switch to a coconut oil and baking soda mixture, which I use once daily. I use only water to brush or plain coconut oil during the day and the mixture with the baking soda at night. I’m here to report the results…

    After nearly two years of this habit, I’m happy to report that I had the most glowing feedback from the dentist that I’ve ever had! My gums were fine. My teeth were fine. No cavities. I had some doubts when I started and had to back down the amount of baking soda in the mixture more than once, but I’m glad I stuck with it! I use about a 20/80 ratio of baking soda to coconut oil. I’m very glad to have come across this blog, which was my catalyst for making the change!

  68. A Jump November 19, 2013 / 02:11

    Oops. Okay. According to my prior post, it was exactly a year ago. Hey, mommy-brain here. Two pregnancies back to back will do that to a girl.

  69. Chad December 6, 2013 / 19:43

    I have done this for a few years off and on, and I do think it is critical to brush more often with soap. I don’t think once per day is good enough with soap, and people should remember that their enamel will be softer with soap. I am on my 2nd go-around with soap, and am trying Kirk’s coconut soap superfatted with coconut oil, but I must say, on my 1st trial of soap a few years ago, I ended up with lots of “micro-cavities” everywhere, probably because I wasn’t dilligent enough, and wasn’t stepping up my brushing to accomodate the loss of fluoride. Soap probably is better as Judd states, but I would warn people to make an extra effort to brush after every meal and really keep their mouth clean with it, because there is no “extra protection” that will excuse a lack of due dilligence. Not always, but I often add a drop of either Thyme, Palmarosa, or Lemongrass oil to my toothbrush.

    Anyway, Kirk’s belongs in your list of soaps, and I am using it even though I make my own soap, which I prefer, but data with my own soap doesn’t help others, so for that reason I am using a brand-name soap. But as a soap-maker and chemist (like Judd, haha), I would disagree strongly that “natural” soap only has a “trace” of glycerin! It is loaded with glycerin – there’s an equal amount of soap and glycerin in “natural” soap. And I think Judd always strictly referred to soaps that had all glycerin removed, but it seems they all add glycerin since his death. Also, if he did use Dial (I only ever heard him on the radio), then he was also including Triclosan in his routine (the anti-bacterial). Natural soaps may be OK, I don’t know, but if they are, it will only be because only such a small amount is needed on the toothbrush, unlike a big glob of glycerine loaded toothpaste. But I am fairly certain Judd would have really wanted people to use soap with ALL glycerin removed, and believe I remember him addressing this on the radio.

    I have had trouble finding such soaps these days! But I live in a fairly remote area without much selection. Seems like everything is being centralized, as I noticed even all the big name brands were all using similar formulations.

    • AriesWarlock December 6, 2013 / 20:00

      Honestly, as much as I like the whole brushing with soap thing, more and more I am thinking brushing with coconut oil and baking soda is superior to soap.

      • Shira Nahari December 6, 2013 / 22:36

        I am so glad to see this discussion continuing. I am finding new wonderfulness and want to share it.
        Aries it’s not either/or. The Greeks had it wrong.
        It’s both/and.

        I alternate days: coconut oil on day, Dr. Bronner’s baby soap the next.
        The latest great thing I have found for teeth and gums is after-brushing with a mixture of Xylitol and rubbed sage – just a bit of each. I do this after the FG H1O2 rinse (which BTW I spit into the toilet and I never have a ring! lol)
        I just made a major study of Xylitol and the trick is to use it 5 times a day in some form. The mints and gum are a bit pricey but Xlear is good for other things so I will stick to the bulk crystal Xylitol I get at the Co-op for a reasonable price and use the Xclear am & pm. (Look at your toes while spraying.)

  70. Chad December 6, 2013 / 20:02

    I should also add that the reason Judd disfavored “liquid soap” is for the reason I cited: it contains glycerin (liquid soap was probably referring to Dr. Bronner’s). The only difference between natural liquid soap such as Bronner’s and natural solid soap such as Kirk’s or whatever, is that the liquid form is made with Potassium Hydroxide (KOH), and the solid form is made with Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH).

    Anyway, whatever this young generation is, they are going to have to rebuild this world, and they have a lot of big challenges ahead. Big powers are being centralized and seeking total control, there is no more arable land, and there are danger signs all over, so I really like to see things like this where younger people are breaking things down by finding ways around the old structures (along with things like Tor, Bitcoin, etc).

  71. Chad December 6, 2013 / 20:43

    Hehe, sorry for another comment, but I think this is important, and I never see it stated: another good reason for soap is that it is alkaline (pH = 9-10 or so), and so it is helpful to counteract acids that are responsible for decay. I should also add that fluoride toothpaste DEFINITELY (in my experience) IS very harmful for gums. And gum health DEFINITELY improves with soap.

    There was another dentist even before Judd who went against the dental/toothpaste industry – I can’t remember his name, but an organization called “People’s Dental Association” was founded in his name after he was assaulted for his stand against them and driven out of his own profession. Did anyone ever wonder why (at least the last time I used a dentist, 20+ years ago) dentists take a pik and jam it into your teeth when they are looking around in your mouth? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but my thinking at the time is that they are often as corrupt as attorneys or many other professions, and they were actually and intentionally driving holes thu my enamel to create cavities to profit themselves. I don’t trust them. I got a flashlight, dental piks, and I carefully take care of my own mouth, and never had a problem since I quit using dentists. I think if people learn to check their own mouths, they will keep them in much better health than relying a dentist to take care of everything every 6 months. Really, it’s your mouth, and you should be taking care of it, and not paying someone else to do that! Honestly, I say that there are many professions that have no place, or not much place, in society, and that “customers” of many jobs/professions are created for the sole purpose of employing people in those jobs/professions – and NOT because those jobs/professions are actually important and necessary in human life.

    • Shira Nahari December 7, 2013 / 02:22

      Chad, the dentist whose name you have forgotten is Dr. Robert Nara, of Houghton, Michigan, a state which he terms “one of the most backward places–in terms of dental progress–in the Union.”
      For information on him and this topic, so to the PDA home page: http://mizar5.com/pda/%5D
      Also see this link for an interview with Dr. Nara, whose “… ideas about preventive dentistry have, so far, cost him his license to practice, gotten him kicked out of the county, state, and national dental organizations, and forced him to face criminal charges.”:
      That’s some powerful dedication to the cause of preventive dentistry by, among other things, opposing organized dentistry, “an entire profession [that] has been making a living by repairing the results of a disease they could have been curing all along!!”

      Dr. Nara’s goal, implemented starting in 1968, was “to stop disease, and I was sure that I could stop it–I had all of the scientific evidence in the world to back me up–if I could get the patients’ help and cooperation. And that’s what the “method” that I came to call Oramedics does: It enables me to get the patients to cooperate, to take the control of their own oral environment into their own hands. And the system works!” [Note: Dr. Nara retired from dental practice in 1983 and no longer treats patients, although he still writes and lectures.]

      The PDA was apparently founded around about Spring, 1984 if the date of the initial PDA Network Newsletter #1 is any indication.
      “The goal of the PDA is to help people avoid any dental care for life.” I’ll buy that! In fact the PDA and especially Oramedics is so aligned with this blog that I tink we all need to follow through on both.

      The PDA seems to be trying to get off the ground. We can give them a boost here by becoming PDA Affiliates [ go here for more info: http://mizar5.com/pda/pdaaffiliate.htm ] and recommending (and buying!) Dr. Nara’s books, like “Money by the Mouthful’ — How to Become Dentally Self Sufficient” [Jan 1979) Dr. Nara offers a money-back guarantee and you get to keep the book!

  72. Chad December 7, 2013 / 01:22

    Actually, it’s been 30 years since I saw a dentist.
    More last thoughts worthy of consideration:

    THERE IS NO PROFIT/EMPLOYMENT IN HEALTH! Health ONLY has value to you, not the economy or employment rate! Disease on the other hand – well, that has a lot of value to the economy! Really boosts employment and corporate profits!

    Haha … And that’s the facts!

    Additional info of value: The last time I went to a dentist when I was about 19, he said “Oh, you got 2 cavities that need to be filled!” … and so, being an ignorant idiot at the time, I just reply “OK …” even though I didn’t know I had any problem! I ended up getting 2 fillings, the only fillings I ever got, and boy do I regret it. I am reaching the age where they will probably have to be removed soon, and re-drilled and re-filled because if you don’t know – fillings don’t last forever!

    Since then, I have gotten other “cavities”, but guess what? I just make sure they are clean, and after I eat/brush, I look in my mouth, and if any of these holes in my molars have something stuck in them, I remove them with a dental pik. They occassionally will hurt just a little if food is left in them, but other than that, they are fine! For decades! Just because you have a cavity doesn’t mean you need a filling It’s complete and utter nonsense! The only way a cavity can become an “emergency” is if you don’t care for your teeth, and let food sit and rot in the cavity, where bacterial acids will then rot the last remaining parts of the tooth down to the pulp. But REALLY, CAVITIES ARE OK! They are NOT EMERGENCIES NEEDING FILLINGS! Just make sure they don’t have anything in them after you eat!

  73. Chad December 7, 2013 / 01:49

    This comment relates to how brushing with soap and the associated re-enamalizing teeth because after giving cavities some thought based on my experience, I would say that cavities arise from a weakness in the mineral structure, and that is why one spot is chosen over other spots, similar to how water forms caves and underground rivers. But this weakness has only a certain depth to it, and cavities will stop after a certain point. And the only way a cavity can really cause pain is if food and bacteria are stuck in it, and you don’t clean it out, and you just do this for days and finally say “OMG, I am in so much pain, I can’t take it anymore!”

    And I would add that they may cause a weakness to the general structure regardless, and it may be good to chew carefully, especailly when there may be surprising hard bit of shell in a bag of soft nuts.

  74. Chad December 7, 2013 / 02:27

    A sign I notice when beginning to brush with soap is that my teeth get very sharp, like razors, whereas with toothpaste, they’d have a dull smoothed roundness. I take that as a sign of re-enamelization. Personally, at my age (50+), I also add a tablespoon of Butter Oil + Cod Liver Oil and found that it very much strengthens the gums and it changed my teeth from glassy and cavity-prone to ivory white and cavity-resistant. So, I second the notion of how important nutrition is.

  75. Chad December 7, 2013 / 08:46

    I just learned why all soaps have glycerin added to them now: there is a glut of glycerin on the market and it’s being sold commercially for 18 cents/pound, and much of it is simply being dumped down the drain as a by-product of soap mfg. Nobody knows what to do with it, because the removal of glycerin extraction from soap requires the addition of a saturated solution of NaCl (salt), thus, the resulting glycerin is contaminated with salt and fatty acid by-products which are very expensive to remove, and those in need of pure glycerin find pure synthetic sources elsewhere. So … that is why all the old standard glycerin-free soaps are now adding glycerin … because there is so much, they don’t know how to dispose of it all.

  76. Waqas December 21, 2013 / 06:38

    The best alternate i have found is Miswak (Natural Toothbrush), amazing results
    i use of a company called AL Khair Miswak

  77. Shira Nahari December 21, 2013 / 07:18

    My 2 grown daughters are using Miswak with splendid results. Their dentists are also pleased with the lack of plaque and no cavities.

    I first learned about using this twig of the Neem (or Peelu or Arak ) tree when I was in the oasis of En Gedi in Israel and heard how the Bedouin use it instead of a toothbrush. Apparently it is big among Muslems and even recommended in the Qu’ran!.
    I tried a couple of times and tore up my gums because I did not follow directions properly. So if you are going to Miswak, read the instructions carefully first!

  78. Jakia March 26, 2014 / 04:58

    Hi, I have a compromised immune system so have spent years reducing my chemical use… I’ve probably washed my hair with shampoo just ten times in as many years, and that was only because I’d been polluted on by (ie)smokers; I keep my hair quite short, so running a nit comb through it for an hour each weekend is quite easy. But now I know that soaking my hair in a tub of mineral water mixed with green clay not only solves the occasional pollution problem but also helps the rest of my body detox, I’m done with shampoo!โ€ฉI mention clay because I’ve also been using less and less toothpaste on my brush for weeks now, while looking at alternatives like calcium bentonite (a hard to get hold of clay) and Miswak (with a ‘fragrance’ I might not be able to tolerate) and am sooo glad I found your site / mention of Earthpaste … I don’t know if I can get it here in the UK, but one nearby health store sells redmond clay!โ€ฉHave been hearing good things about Neem Oil (inc it’s more like olive oil than tea tree, so shouldn’t burn) and now I know it can help gums I’m going to have to check it out. TA!โ€ฉHave been looking for a better soap, too (for my hands ~ have been rubbing down my bod with just water for …longer than 10 years!), so appreciate comments about olive oil soaps ~ my cheap ‘veg-only’ soap contains a couple of unnecessary ingrediants and, having just tried it on my teeth, am looking forward to replacing it ;-)โ€ฉโ€ฉI have to say, for people struggling with stains and plaque ~ less stimulants and more low carb veg will not only provide you with a steadier supply of energy but will help your teeth remineralize… it’s a big adjustment that needs to be done slowly / carefully, but trying to care for the outside of your teeth without caring for the inside of your body is a little counter productive.โ€ฉBest wishes to all, and thanks again, Jakia

    • Fonda LaShay March 26, 2014 / 17:01

      Should not be an issue to find in the UK.. I am getting it sent up here to Norway. Check out my Resources page and click on the products you are interested in.. they all go to sites with International Shipping!

      Great to hear others in agreement about the low carb veggies ๐Ÿ™‚

  79. Jakia March 27, 2014 / 14:17

    Just realized I can’t use Earthpaste unless / until they make a plain version (enquiry sent …fingers crossed), but also just found out thatโ€ฉHolland & Barratt sell “Oliva” olive oil soap (inc on-line to European countries), so will hopefully never have to use ‘normal’ toothpaste again.
    Tree-Harvest say their Bentonite clay is the calcium not sodium variety, but until they put such info on their packaging…
    Also came acrossโ€ฉAyuyuri’s products yesterday; their cold pressed olive oil is meant to be safe for people with very sensitive skin (&/ for those of us who can’t use coconut products) ~ they sell on-line and retail …I found them in my local Morrisons supermarket!

  80. jakia April 1, 2014 / 16:12

    Hi again. โ€ฉ
    I have been using Oliva soap since last here and have semi-related query / could use your insight;โ€ฉsoap got teeth clean really well, but the slight [sea?] salt content made the skin near my back teeth come away (even when I simply ran wet toothbrush over soap a couple of times, rather than putting tiny bit of soap in mouth) ~ I know this is a me problem; I haven’t had salt in my diet for years because my body doesn’t like it (so have problems with seaweed and e.g. fish, too), but, because that seemed to be the only problem, I bought some cold pressed olive oil for oil pulling ~ used it for fist time a few hours ago, and was surprised / pleased to find it cleaned my teeth [at least] as well as the soap …but it left ‘a lump in my throat’.
    โ€ฉI understand that the initial reaction with saliva glands I had (which was a tad scarey) is common / only temporary, so wonder if the throat problem is short-term / can be safely endureded too. โ€ฉMain reason for concern is that saliva problem lasted less than a minute, whereas ‘lump in throat’ feeling is still there several hours later.โ€ฉ
    Have no plans to go back to toothpaste, and can’t use bicarb, so, fingers etc are crossed ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Fonda LaShay May 3, 2014 / 09:34

      hmmm.. I am really not sure what to tell you. I do agree with you, this is a very personal reaction I have never heard of before. I would say you should look into the root of the problem more – why your body reacts to salt so harshly.

      On the upside many people do brush just with Olive Oil. ๐Ÿ™‚

  81. Kami July 2, 2014 / 22:30

    Are you still avoiding fluoride at all costs? Do you know if it is in your drinking water or do you drink specific water in order to avoid the fluoride often found in tap water? Is there anything else you avoid because it has fluoride in it?

    • Fonda LaShay January 12, 2015 / 22:04

      Yes, I am. Where I live there is not fluoride in the water … But if I lived somewhere that did I would have a filter for sure!

  82. sunny August 21, 2014 / 18:53

    I always observe that using toothpaste actually worsen the teeths and I have stopped using them and I have no problem when not using toothpaste but whenever I use ( experiment diffrent toothpaste) I start getting sensetivity and aches.

  83. greenwichcarpetcleaners January 8, 2015 / 15:56

    This is really new information! I use toothpaste every day! What a shame! Thank you about this post! Very useful!

  84. Dianne January 27, 2015 / 12:53

    If someone could tell me where Judd says to use soap that has no glycerin in it I’d appreciate it. I read the main body of his article/book online and couldn’t find this anywhere. The only mention of glycerin I could find was in a toothpaste ingredients list, but just because it’s in toothpaste doesn’t mean it’s bad – soap was also one of the ingredients.

    There are a few false statements about the glycerin content of natural soap here. One person said there’s only a tiny bit, someone else said there’s as much glycerin as there is soap. Both are incorrect. Glycerin is a component of ALL oils and fats. When you add water & lye to an oil you end up with 3 molecules of soap to 1 molecule of glycerin. The glycerin weighs lighter than the soap molecules so you actually end up with a lot lower percentage of glycerin. Medium chain fatty acids (eg. coconut oil, 12%) have much higher glycerin levels than long chain fatty acids (eg. olive oil, approx. 9%).

    It is NOT easy to remove glycerin from soap, as was stated. If you google it you’ll find it’s a very complicated process.

    I think someone mentioned only using soap made using saponified oils. This is misleading because all oil in soap has been saponified. Saponified merely means that it’s been “made into soap” by adding lye (sodium hydroxide). You can’t make soap and then add oil afterwards. A lot of people use the word saponified because they don’t want to use the word lye – because it doesn’t sound ‘natural’ enough. Another word for lye or sodium hydroxide is caustic soda. A lot of people shrink in horror when you mention that your soap has caustic soda in it but the fact is that you can’t make soap without it. Lye was originally made from wood ash but it’s still the same thing as caustic soda. In fact, it’s a lot more dangerous because you don’t know exactly what the chemical composition of it is, whereas with commercial sodium hydroxide you can easily make sure there is no free lye in the finished soap. That’s because you add more oil than is needed to react with the lye. The extra lye is called super-fatting.

    I think a few people need to do a bit more homework on xylitol. I personally wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. It’s definitely not recommended by Mary Enig and Sally Fallon in their two books and they are very careful about what they say – if they’re not sure of something they’ll tell you.

    If anyone wants a natural source of Co-enzyme Q10, just eat heart or liver. Heart has a much high concentration than liver, but liver is more nutrient dense. Ox heart is better than lamb heart and just tastes like normal steak.

    A handful of essential oils aren’t recommended for soapmaking because they can burn, so it’d be expected that they’d do the same when used for toothpaste. From memory, I think two of the worst three are cinnamon and peppermint oils. Unfortunately, I can’t remember what the third is. It’s been at least 3 years since I started making soap and I mainly make plain castile with no essential oils anyway. I sometimes make lavender or citrus but that’s about it. I use 100% olive oil and I find it’s got a very mild taste when used for cleaning teeth. I first tried it using a lavender bar and didn’t even notice the lavender, but essential oils evaporate over time and it ends up not being very strong.

  85. Valerie Jeck March 31, 2015 / 11:32

    I don’t like the common toothpastes too. I am afraid that they contain many toxic ingredients which are harmful for the organism. I have a three-year-old daughter and I don’t want to give her such toothpaste. Thank you for sharing about the alternative! I will definitely give it a shot!

  86. Isaac Boluwatise May 19, 2015 / 15:12

    Hello Fonda, when I read about the olive oil I checked around in the house and saw an organic soap made of Aqua, castor oil and olive oil. Do you reckon it will be safe to try try brushing with it?

  87. Deborah July 9, 2015 / 08:38

    I found Dr. Judd’s information on the EarthClinic site about 2 months ago, when I was having multiple issues with my teeth and gums. Though I did not follow his protocol to a ‘T’, I did start brushing with soap (Kirk’s Castile Soap) each morning, and with OraWellness ‘Heal Thy Mouth’ oil blend at night. This has been GREAT for me. Gum inflammation went down within a week, teeth/mouth feel clean, and with the Heal Thy Mouth oil, I would not only brush with it at night, but add 3 drops to my rinsing water and use after the morning ‘soap’ brushing. Takes away all and any ‘soap’ taste if you use a mild tasting soap like Kirk’s. I love it, and my husband is now doing the same.

    Also, one of Dr. Nara’s recommendations was to purchase a WaterPik and add warm salt water to the reservoir to salt water rinse/floss the teeth. This is a great, natural way to floss, cleanse and alkalize the mouth. I do this 3 nights a week instead of my nightly brushing (I use the small ‘brush pik’ that comes with the WaterPik instead) and it has been wonderful.

    Between the soap brushing, the OraWellness oil (and their wonderful ‘Bass brush’) and the WaterPik, my oral care is the best it’s ever been, my gums are healing and my teeth feel strong. I will add in an abrasive in a few weeks (probably the weekly baking soda as mentioned on this blog), but otherwise, I am loving this new natural protocol. Will see over time if it affects my cavities after future dental visits.

    Also, in terms of strengthening teeth and gums…organic, un-roasted nuts and seeds in addition to shellfish and vegetables are some of the best foods for teeth and gums that I have found. And because I can’t chew hard nuts and seeds get stuck in the teeth sometimes, I grind them first in a clean coffee grinder, then just add them to whatever I’m eating. Works great, very easy to do, and my entire body is getting the benefit as well as my teeth and gums.

    Good luck everyone ~ thanks Fonda for sharing this information. I was doing this before I found your blog tonight, but it was great validation to read of your and others’ positive experiences.

  88. Guada August 23, 2015 / 20:09

    Hi Fonda, good post, but I have some doubts…
    When you say that “a new layer of enamel will form”have you noticed any other differences in your teeth other than the whiter color? Like them being thicker/stronger/less translucent ? Or tiny holes in enamel filling up? I have my doubts that new enamel is possible but I’m very interested.
    Also, are you sure that the new bright white spots on your teeth are not demineralization?
    When you explained that the “new bump” that formed on your teeth is a barrier for repair, where did you find that info? I would love to know more about this.
    Wainting for your reply, thanks in advance ๐Ÿ™‚

  89. MCAS September 7, 2015 / 14:23

    Do you still use this olive oil soap for brushing your teeth? Have you introduced any change? How is your teeth? Thank you!

    • Pete September 5, 2016 / 17:54

      I second that! Fonda its been almost 18 months since you’ve last commented. Hopefully you’re doing well overall!

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  91. Erica July 17, 2016 / 15:28

    Hi ๐Ÿ™‚
    I just wonder how you store your soapbar? And do you wash it or wipe it after sliding the toothbrush over the bar?

    I also wonder about the way you use baking soda. I tried it for the first time one week ago. But it hurt my gum and palate, even though I tried the best I could to avoid it. It was difficult. Do you just brush the surface of the frotnteeths, or do you brush them all? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Pete September 5, 2016 / 15:11

      Hi Erica

      I store my soap bar in a mini click and click food container which is in my bathroom cabinet. I’ve thought about the cleanliness aspect before and whether that is s suitable solution.

      However my personal justification is I always rinse my tooth brush thoroughly with hot water, then leave to air dry. Using this soap means there is nothing left behind between the bristles unlike conventional toothpaste. So I feel my brush bristles are fairly clean to begin with when rubbing them on the soap hours later.

      I can’t answer your baking soda question as I’ve not experienced any issues that way. But perhaps Fonda or someone else may be able to comment?

  92. Pete September 5, 2016 / 14:57

    Hi Fonda and everyone!

    Hope you’re all well.

    I read your website/this webpage with great interest and a few months ago. Since then (and a bit more research), I’ve brushed my teeth with Oliva Soap for 2 months 10 days as of today. Not really seeing any difference either way (and neither has my dentist), but feeling better for not using fluoride. I do plan to stick with it, but I have a few basic questions:

    1. Is an electric toothbrush twice a day sufficient?

    2. I brush my teeth at least 15 minutes before eating my breakfast, and last thing at night. Should I wait longer, or is that OK?

    3. I’ve got a touch of receding gums (happened well before I started the Oliva Soap). Will this method help reduce my symptoms?

    4. I’m still flossing, but do I need to continue doing so with this method?

    Many thanks in advance!

  93. Loani Castillo May 4, 2017 / 07:08

    I don’t use toothpaste. I do have cavities. But my neighbor also have them and have toothpaste in his diet.

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